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re: Stop acting like we’re not a democracy, we’re a republic. We’re both.

Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:06 am to
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:06 am to
The dimtards push the democracy angle and refuse to say constitutional republic because they want to get rid of the electoral college. That is why the marxists constantly say they won the popular vote. The popular vote makes it easier for them to go off to an extremely corrupt blue state and allow illegals, dead people and stray cats to flood more votes into the final tally.

Why else are the marxist states protecting themselves from a red wave by saying their electors will honor the national popular vote even if the people of their normally blue state join the effort to kick out the marxists
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:07 am to
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The dimtards push the democracy angle and refuse to say constitutional republic because they want to get rid of the electoral college.


They also want to get rid of the constitution, another pesky document that blocks them from having a pure Democracy.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:13 am to
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Iwill prove that we're a democracy and a republic by voting for President in a few weeks


The only way we are a democracy is that we have universal suffrage........to our detriment.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:15 am to
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. They specifically stressed it was not a democracy,

They specifically stressed it was not a pure/direct democracy.

That's a hyper-specific type of democracy, which nobody believes we have as our system today.

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considered democracy a bad form of government.

Again, they considered a specific form of democracy a bad form of government, which isn't applicable to this discussion.

That's the dishonesty/conflation at the heart of this issue.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:17 am to
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if you understand democracy is simply and purely shadow oligarchy


This is not an absolute truth. You're starting your point off with a falsehood to build your "logic" around.

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the oligarchs control the media and message, controlling the masses and thereby the government,

How does this not apply to a republic?

You think our reps don't have a reputation for giving access/influence to donors/powerful allies?

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it's easy to understand why they very much have a vested, nefarious interest in intentionally altering our terminology


Ironing
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:19 am to
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You're starting your point off with a falsehood to build your "logic" around.
You suck so fricking hard please start shutting the frick up
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:20 am to
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We are a republic because of our constitution.

We are also a democracy because of our constitution

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You democrats

Live your truth, bro

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That’s the only reason this shite gets brought up.

No. NPCs pushing stupidity and creating the necessity of being corrected and being brought back to reality is why it gets brought up.

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The pledge of allegiance is to the flag and the republic. The argument against the pledge is based on us being a constitutional republic with the right to dissent and forcing students to recite the pledge is against the first amendment.

The pledge of allegiance has nothing to do with anything. You'd be better off citing the Declaration of Independence, which has nothing to do with anything also, but is at least a temporal contemporary to our 2nd constitution (which still reigns).

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:20 am to
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You suck so fricking hard please start shutting the frick up




Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
2121 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:21 am to
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We are a:

Constitutional
Federal
Democratic
Republic

Our system involves all of those factors.


Our winner take all format is the democracy aspect to our system different from the power sharing of a parliamentary system
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299184 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:21 am to
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This is not an absolute truth.


If you understand cause/effect, it absolutely is.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:22 am to
My logic is you suck. No one has time for your faggy pedantry
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:22 am to
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Our winner take all format is the democracy aspect to our system different from the power sharing of a parliamentary system


Nobody is discussing SMD v. Parliamentary systems. Don't complicated it for the people who can't even shed simple NPC talking points.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299184 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:23 am to
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Our winner take all format is the democracy aspect to our system different from the power sharing of a parliamentary system


The Soviet Union had a Democracy. You could only vote for one party, but it was a democracy if you go by the new leftist definitions.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:24 am to
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If you understand cause/effect, it absolutely is.

I vote in local elections for specific issues all the time that involve no "shadow oligarchy", while I vote in federal elections for candidates who are bought and paid for by this "shadow oligarchy".

Tell me which system is absolutely associated with the concept of a "shadow oligarchy".

(The answer is neither, which is why it's not an absolute truth and starting his argument off with a fallacy. I just used the point about how republics suffer from the same issue to further destroy his point).
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
2121 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:24 am to
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The Constitutional aspect is what really protects us.

The republican aspect still instills fear of tyranny if the other side wins a majority of the governing body. That's why the very next step in the apocalypse fetishizing is to claim that other side will subdue the Constitutional limits of government and protections of citizens.


Your argument goes out the window if the marxists expand and stack the court.

There is NOTHING in our constitution saying how many Justices sit on the supreme court.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:25 am to
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My logic is you suck. No one has time for your faggy pedantry


Being right is not your ad hom meltdown and flailing from being proven wrong.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299184 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:26 am to
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I vote in local elections for specific issues all the time that involve no "shadow oligarchy",


Your local elections are the closet to a real democracy we have.

Except, the representatives you vote for arent beholden to you, they are beholden to big interest just like the federal govt.

You of all people should understand this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299184 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:27 am to
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Your argument goes out the window if the marxists expand and stack the court.


Its the marxist pushing the "our Democracy" angle.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:28 am to
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Your argument goes out the window if the marxists expand and stack the court.


You literally just displayed exactly what I pointed out in my quote

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The republican aspect still instills fear of tyranny if the other side wins a majority of the governing body. That's why the very next step in the apocalypse fetishizing is to claim that other side will subdue the Constitutional limits of government and protections of citizens.



That's what you did in the above-quoted text.

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There is NOTHING in our constitution saying how many Justices sit on the supreme court.

There is alos nothing that says fate wouldn't allow another scenario like the Trump admin where a non-DEM gets to appoint a disproportionate amount of justices, or that the GOP couldn't stack the court themselves in response.

But, again, you are displaying that the republican aspect of our government still creates the same fear of tyranny that the low-IQ "democracy is bad" NPC talking point argues. Your exact argument relies on the actions of our representatives, not our direct vote, which slides the analysis to the republican aspects of our government directly.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:29 am to
I just have no interest in going around in circles down on your level anymore, continuing to re explain my logic. You’re a babbling repetitive autistic child with a narrow rhetorical framework, it’s an accurate ad hominem. You are a waste of time
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