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Solution to the illegal problem
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:53 am
Farmers and corporations need cheap labor and need to get work done that American's won't generally do, like picking fruit. One problem is that get the labor over, then have to sneak across the border often in a dangerous journey, or pay a coyote who often will hold them hostage until a relative pays or abandon them in the desert. Another issue is that one they get over here, they have no insurance putting financial burdens on our hospital system, of bring their families who take advantage of our generous welfare system and put a burden on the taxpayers of the US.
Why not set up a system or program whereby a person or company who needs labor can go to the border and hire who they need. In addition to salaries for these workers, the hirers would be required to pay for medical insurance or otherwise cover any medical expenses, and a fee to cover costs of running the program. Laborers would be required to pay income tax on their pay and to return to their country when their contract is done.
Any illegals found not under a work contract would be deported.
Benefits for the workers would be that they no longer have to pay a coyote or make a dangerous border crossing, and program oversite would ensure that they are not cheated by their employers. The program would pay for itself with the fees collected. Benefits for the farmers would be a guaranteed cheap work force, which would still be cheaper than hiring Americans even with the extra insurance costs, without risk of your workers being deported. Benefits to the US would be increased income tax revenue.
This could be a win-win for everybody.
Does anybody see any issues with this plan?
Why not set up a system or program whereby a person or company who needs labor can go to the border and hire who they need. In addition to salaries for these workers, the hirers would be required to pay for medical insurance or otherwise cover any medical expenses, and a fee to cover costs of running the program. Laborers would be required to pay income tax on their pay and to return to their country when their contract is done.
Any illegals found not under a work contract would be deported.
Benefits for the workers would be that they no longer have to pay a coyote or make a dangerous border crossing, and program oversite would ensure that they are not cheated by their employers. The program would pay for itself with the fees collected. Benefits for the farmers would be a guaranteed cheap work force, which would still be cheaper than hiring Americans even with the extra insurance costs, without risk of your workers being deported. Benefits to the US would be increased income tax revenue.
This could be a win-win for everybody.
Does anybody see any issues with this plan?
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:55 am to crap4brain
you give em an inch and they'll take texas
....wait
....wait
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:55 am to crap4brain
Because the second anything like this would be accomplished you would have Chuck Schumer standing in front of a bunch of cameras and a microphone crying about how these people are 2nd class citizens
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:56 am to Nado Jenkins83
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you give em an inch and they'll take texas
Which is why the OP's idea is a bad one
Give them an inch they take a mile
It would be abused
frick farmers and frick businesses who need illegal cheap labor to make it. Either be willing to pay more or shut down. Maybe improve your business better so you dont have to rely on illegals
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:57 am to crap4brain
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In addition to salaries for these workers, the hirers would be required to pay for medical insurance or otherwise cover any medical expenses, and a fee to cover costs of running the program
No longer cheap labor
The problem isn't that we don't have people here that are available for work required, the problem is they can make more than that labor is worth without participating.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 9:01 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:58 am to crap4brain
I think we already have that (or at least it was proposed under Obama). It is called the guest worker program.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:00 am to crap4brain
Have you ever looked at eVerify? Employers currently are supposed to ensure that their employees are here legally. Unfortunately some ignore this and some of the immigrants forge documents to be able to work.
The only way to remedy this is to require government issued work permits. This will make all of our food cost rise, but it needs to be done. If we want secure borders we will pay for them no matter what....
The only way to remedy this is to require government issued work permits. This will make all of our food cost rise, but it needs to be done. If we want secure borders we will pay for them no matter what....
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:01 am to crap4brain
The same people who bitch that removing illegals will force people to wage raises and that the cost of food will rise also advocate for $15 minimum wage and argue that it won't raise the cost of anything.
fricking idiots.
fricking idiots.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:02 am to Lsuchs
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No longer cheap labor
I think it would still be cheaper to pay someone $5 an hour plus insurance than paying American's $12 per hour, which is probably what you would have to pay. The problem is that American's no longer have to work if they don't want to, since everything is given to them.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:04 am to goldennugget
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frick farmers and frick businesses who need illegal cheap labor to make it. Either be willing to pay more or shut down. Maybe improve your business better so you dont have to rely on illegals
It used to be that farm labor was available in the US, but not any more. People would rather sit at home and collect welfare and food stamps than work in a hot field at any price. I have seen it. People will leave a good paying job that involves work to sit at home and do nothing.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:06 am to goldennugget
Food cost will rise about 50% if farmers don't have access to cheap labor, if they can find someone willing to bend over in the hot sun all day long...
I suggest a great true story that kind of shines a light on this.... McFarland USA
Enjoy
I suggest a great true story that kind of shines a light on this.... McFarland USA
Enjoy
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:09 am to goldennugget
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frick farmers and frick businesses who need illegal cheap labor to make it. Either be willing to pay more or shut down. Maybe improve your business better so you dont have to rely on illegals
You seem knowledgable on how farming works...
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:09 am to crap4brain
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Farmers and corporations need cheap labor and need to get work done that American's won't generally do, like picking fruit
This is a bullshite myth.....Americans won't do this work bc they're not made to do it.....the Government, at all levels, have made it to easy to get benefits instead of making people work.
Hunger is a helleva motivator.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:14 am to Wtodd
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This is a bull shite myth.....Americans won't do this work bc they're not made to do it.....the Government, at all levels, have made it to easy to get benefits instead of making people work. Hunger is a helleva motivator.
I agree, the best solution would be to cut out the freebies so that Americans are motivated to get to work, but I don't see that happening.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:25 am to crap4brain
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Solution to the illegal problem by crap4brain
The solution is upholding the law and sending criminals (ILLEGAL aliens) back to their country of origin.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:30 am to crap4brain
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I think it would still be cheaper to pay someone $5 an hour plus insurance
Why do you think this?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:53 am to stat19
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The solution is upholding the law and sending criminals (ILLEGAL aliens) back to their country of origin.
I agree, that's part of the plan.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:55 am to roadGator
This def exist and Trump even uses it at his resorts. They bring in workers from other countries to work a season, like Washington apple growers bring in workers to pick the apples then they go home. Not having labor to pick fruit is not what the illegal immigration issue is about.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:55 am to roadGator
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I think it would still be cheaper to pay someone $5 an hour plus insurance
Why do you think this?
We wouldn't be talking about a gold plated, all inclusive plan here. Just something to cover injuries while here working.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:04 am to crap4brain
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We wouldn't be talking about a gold plated, all inclusive plan here. Just something to cover injuries while here working.
That's not legal currently and how much do you think those plans cost?
ARe you really just going to offer an accident policy? Sounds like it. If so, what will be covered and what will be excluded?
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