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re: Sara huckabee sanders has lost some Weight and looks good
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:47 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:47 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:First, that isn't why Christians strive to do "good", because a Christian knows he can't make it to Heaven, or be spared Hell, by his acts.
While you claim to be behaving and treating people right because you are scared of a punishment in hell, atheists do the right thing simply because they are the right thing to maximize happiness and wellbeing while minimizing unnecessary suffering.
But secondly, how can an atheist know what the "right" thing to do is, or what is "good or evil" with no biblical foundation? You can't do the "right" thing (let's say feeding the poor, as an example) to maximize your happiness, because you wouldn't know whether that would make you happy or not without biblical morals.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:10 pm to NaturalBeam
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Because God would not be just and righteous if he let sin pass unpunished
God created Adam and Eve in a state of innocence - not knowing right from wrong without knowledge of good and evil. Then God punished them for doing something that they could not have known was wrong. Then God punished all of Adam’s descendants for something Adam did. You think that is righteous and just?
Aaron made the golden calf in the desert and the Israelites used the calf as an image of the Lord God in their worship of him. And God made some of Israelites slaughter their own people for worshipping God using an image - an idol. And God sent a very great plague to kill some more as punishment for Aaron’s crime. Now Aaron could not have known it was a crime because Moses had not returned from thr mountain with that law yet. Also it was Aaron’s crime but he got to live while others were killed as punishment. Is that just and righteous?
God let David’s first son with Bathsheba suffer and die because he was pissed at what David did. Was it just and righteous for that baby to be born and to suffer and die to pay for David’s sin? Why didn’t David pay for his own sin?
You accept Jesus’ sacrifice as payment for your sins. Is it moral to punish someone else for your transgressions? Why should you accept that if you are moral and just and righteous?
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but first-hand accounts of Jesus saying it at the Last Supper.
Where are those first hand accounts? Did you mean third hand accounts? Do you know what the definition of first hand is?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:21 pm to NaturalBeam
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He said that he will not abolish the law, as long as we are here on this earth....until "all was accomplished"...meaning his perfect sacrifice.
That’s not what the text says. You are making up your own gospel account (which is what those early Christians did anyway).
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Revelations
Come on, man!
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tells us there will be a second coming, which hasn't occurred yet. That's what we are waiting on.
The Apocalypse of John of Patmos doesn’t state that there will be a second coming. You inserted that into the text where it doesn’t exist. In reality, based on scholarly sources and archaeological and literary evidence, “Revelation” was written before the gospel accounts of a Jesus on earth. The coming of the Lord Jesus in Revelation is about Jesus’ first and only coming in which he will bring his sword to reap the unbelievers and unrighteous. And it was all supposed to happen nearly 2000 years ago. I think it’s safe to say it’s not going to happen, in reality.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 12:27 pm to NaturalBeam
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First, that isn't why Christians strive to do "good", because a Christian knows he can't make it to Heaven, or be spared Hell, by his acts.
That’s fine to believe that if you like Paul (Mr. Important). If you go by what “Jesus” says in the gospels though, and by what “James” says, those works are absolutely important and necessary to enter into God’s kingdom? Are you going to believe Paul, or are you going to believe Jesus and his brother?
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You can't do the "right" thing (let's say feeding the poor, as an example) to maximize your happiness, because you wouldn't know whether that would make you happy or not without biblical morals.
It would take a psychopath to help someone and not feel like you had done something good and right.
It’s all moot anyway because in reality (not in fantasy) your Christian god doesn’t exist. And most of the people in the world are not Christian and they have loving families and they aren’t all raping and murdering each other.
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