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re: RIP Louis Zamperini--a great American and testimony to power of redemption
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:33 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:33 pm to I B Freeman
I don't doubt that Mr. Zamperini was a war hero and an admirable guy, but I downvoted this thread because your purpose here was to promote a book whose theme is the power of Christian redemption.
You know VERY WELL that if I had started a thread about Pat Tillman but my thesis was that the greatest thing about him was that he was an atheist spreading the worth of freethought and reason people such as yourself would make a beeline for the RA button, and it would get anchored or whacked.
You know VERY WELL that if I had started a thread about Pat Tillman but my thesis was that the greatest thing about him was that he was an atheist spreading the worth of freethought and reason people such as yourself would make a beeline for the RA button, and it would get anchored or whacked.
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:35 pm to I B Freeman
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Well figuratively he did. He asked to meet him when he carried the torch at the Tokyo Olympics in 98. Bird refused. In front of the world that was paying attention Zamperini revealed the man as a man of no character.
This is true.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:35 pm to Rex
I'll allow it.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:39 pm to Tiguar
Of course you will.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:41 pm to Rex
I actually posted that with intent to convey that I agree with you. you definitely would have been perceived as an antagonist in your hypothetical although I believe that's primarily your own doing 
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:45 pm to Rex
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I don't doubt that Mr. Zamperini was a war hero and an admirable guy, but I downvoted this thread because your purpose here was to promote a book whose theme is the power of Christian redemption.
You know VERY WELL that if I had started a thread about Pat Tillman but my thesis was that the greatest thing about him was that he was an atheist spreading the worth of freethought and reason people such as yourself would make a beeline for the RA button, and it would get anchored or whacked.
That is not true at all.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
The man died today. The book is several years old and is not a Christain novel.
The man was a wife beating tobacco addicted, alcoholic obsessed with revenging the beatings and treatments he suffered at the hands of The Bird. He says he went to a Billy Graham sermon in the fifties in California and never took another drink, smoked another cigarette or spent another thought of revenging his treatment.
Regardless of your religious beliefs you have to be impressed by such a happening. Even an atheist has to wonder just how in the course of an hour or two such personal demons are conquered. BUT that is a small part of the book at the end.
It is an unbelievable story and you should read it. I am not preaching and would not. I would not have said anything about your Tillman analogy.
I doubt you ever hear of a man who accomplished so much from nothing then was thrust into life or death situations time and time again, tortured, starved nearly to death then recovered to lead a full life.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:50 pm to Rex
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I don't doubt that Mr. Zamperini was a war hero and an admirable guy, but I downvoted this thread because your purpose here was to promote a book whose theme is the power of Christian redemption.
Rex, the book is a lot more than that. It's not as much about religion as it is what's intrinsic to any human who has the ability to identify or recognize it to some degree.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:51 pm to I B Freeman
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Regardless of your religious beliefs you have to be impressed by such a happening.
Yes, I am.
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Even an atheist has to wonder just how in the course of an hour or two such personal demons are conquered.
You can't help yourself, can you?
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BUT that is a small part of the book at the end.
Then why did you make it the point of your thread... "testimony to power of redemption"?
I'm not claiming you're being dishonest. I didn't RA your post, either. I'm just pointing out that the discrimination and favoritism here and out in the real world is insidious, and when confronted with something from a different perspective, hypocritical.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:57 pm to Rex
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Then why did you make it the point of your thread... "testimony to power of redemption"?
I'm not claiming you're being dishonest. I didn't RA your post, either. I'm just pointing out that the discrimination and favoritism here and out in the real world is insidious, and when confronted with something from a different perspective, hypocritical.
No you are just looking for something to bitch about.
Tilman, a great American, did not experience anything near what Zamperini did AND survive.
Just read it. You won't put it down.
Tell me you are capable of the redemption he experienced. I don't know how it happened and I am not preaching to you. For two years this man tortured him unbelievably. He would have Zamperini moved to prisons as he moved. He made him live in filth I could not imagine. Zamperini was preparing to kill the guy with a rock knowing it would most likely result in his own life instead when the bomb was dropped on Japan. The guards all left the prison and left the prisoners in this high mountain prison with nothing.
How can you not be obsessed with revenging this treatment? A better man than I was Zamperini.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:09 pm to Rex
Nobody's trying to force you to read the book Rex. Can't you recognize something for what it perhaps is to someone else without feeling like you have to incorporate it into your belief system. Rex, I'm not a Buddhist. Judaism isn't my religion. Neither is Islam. Does that mean I cant read a story about someone who has a different belief paradigm than myself and accept it as being just as much an instrumental part of who they are and just as valid to them as what's analogous in that respect within me? Why feel threatened?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:13 pm to Rex
quote:Do it and ignore this one like we will ignore yours. What a goof!
You know VERY WELL that if I had started a thread about Pat Tillman but my thesis was that the greatest thing about him was that he was an atheist spreading the worth of freethought and reason people such as yourself would make a beeline for the RA button, and it would get anchored or whacked.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:13 pm to Porky
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Nobody's trying to force you to read the book Rex. Can't you recognize something for what it perhaps is to someone else without feeling like you have to incorporate it into your belief system. Rex, I'm not a Buddhist. Judaism isn't my religion. Neither is Islam. Does that mean I cant read a story about someone who has a different belief paradigm than myself and accept it as being just as much an instrumental part of who they are and just as valid to them as what's analogous in that respect within me? Why feel threatened?
The only thing religious about his book is the man attributed the abrupt end to his self destruction to a Billy Graham tent sermon.
How the man flipped the switch I don't know but he did. Maybe Rex has some ideas. I am just reporting I was very impressed reading it.
Rex may think the man is lying. I don't know but I do know I didn't start this thread to sell a book. The book spent months if not years on the Times Best Seller list.
These radical liberals like Rex are the most intolerant, closed minded people I run across.
BTW the complete title of the book "Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption "
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:16 pm to Porky
I can read Mr. Zamperini's story and probably will.... my post is about the "testimony to the power of redemption" message that in fairness should get whacked. But I don't expect fairness and won't even insist upon it.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:20 pm to I B Freeman
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How the man flipped the switch I don't know but he did. Maybe Rex has some ideas.
Yes, I do have some ideas. I find that religionists are too quick to discount the strengths and talents of people. Mr. Zamperini was obviously a strong-willed and courageous man. He didn't need Billy Graham to turn his life around; he had himself.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:21 pm to Rex
quote:One in five religious:
my post is about the "testimony to the power of redemption"
re·demp·tion
[ri-demp-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. an act of redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake, or the state of being redeemed.
2.deliverance; rescue.
3. Theology . deliverance from sin; salvation.
4.atonement for guilt.
5. repurchase, as of something sold.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:23 pm to Rex
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I can read Mr. Zamperini's story and probably will.... my post is about the "testimony to the power of redemption" message that in fairness should get whacked. But I don't expect fairness and won't even insist upon it.
Fairness?? Are you offended?? My god. Do you bath in victimization every morning?
I think you are offended because you do not respect the accomplishments of men. You sit and whine and have no respect for those that go out and meet the challenges of the world.
Get off you butt Rex. Do something--challenge yourself. When you do and then you read such stories you will understand their significance.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:26 pm to I B Freeman
Just keep that in mind the next time somebody starts a thread praising an atheistic stance.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:28 pm to Rex
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Just keep that in mind the next time somebody starts a thread praising an atheistic stance.
Point to a single response from me on any thread about atheism anywhere.
Whine about fairness--what a wimp.
I have a lot of liberals I respect but I don't listen to whining about fairness BS.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:38 pm to Rex
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I can read Mr. Zamperini's story and probably will.... my post is about the "testimony to the power of redemption" message that in fairness should get whacked. But I don't expect fairness and won't even insist upon it.
See, I believe there are many different roads to redemption. Now, I consider myself a Christian though perhaps a rather liberal one in many ways. I'm not going to try to convince anyone to believe what I believe is the only way. I can accept people of other religions as well as I can accept someone as being atheist. I definitely don't have a monopoly on virtue. Neither does any specific religion IMO.
Maybe I'm not a very good Christian by some standards but I believe what I believe.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:40 pm to Porky
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See, I believe there are many different roads to redemption. Now, I consider myself a Christian though perhaps a rather liberal one in many ways. I'm not going to try to convince anyone to believe what I believe is the only way. I can accept people of other religions as well as I can accept someone as being atheist. I don't have a monopoly on virtue. Neither does any specific religion IMO.
Now Porky you know Rex doesn't believe you can be liberal and a Christain. He thinks you are idiot for believing as you do.
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