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Question about hacking and covering up tracks
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:45 am
I have very very little knowledge of hacking or the ability of someone to cover their tracks while doing so, but it is my understanding that the hacker can make it look like someone else actually committed the hacking. Is that true?
If so, how was the intelligence community able to determine the Russian government hacked the DNC. Were the Russian hackers not good enough to cover their tracks?
If so, how was the intelligence community able to determine the Russian government hacked the DNC. Were the Russian hackers not good enough to cover their tracks?
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:50 am to Oddibe
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but it is my understanding that the hacker can make it look like someone else actually committed the hacking. Is that true?
It's been disclosed that our intelligence agencies have that exact ability. To hack and leave breadcrumbs that cannot be detected to implicate whoever they want to frame
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:54 am to TigerFanatic99
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It's been disclosed that our intelligence agencies have that exact ability. To hack and leave breadcrumbs that cannot be detected to implicate whoever they want to frame
And only a complete idiot would believe that our IC is the only one in the world with this capability.
Now , I've no doubt that those dirty fricking Ruskies play dirty, including hacking into computers, but we do not know that it is PROVEN that they did it.
And further, the fact that we the US have the ability to hack into a system and leave bread crumbs pointing to someone else would seem to indicate to a reasonable person that we are also hacking into computer systems around the world LOL
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:56 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:If that is the case, then how exactly do we know the Russian government hacked the DNC or if someone left "breadcrumbs" pointing to the Russian government?
t's been disclosed that our intelligence agencies have that exact ability. To hack and leave breadcrumbs that cannot be detected to implicate whoever they want to frame
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:05 am to Oddibe
The best hackers do it for hire or for cash. They aren't working for the russian gov't.
Tracks can be covered up, but the russians apparently weren't very good at covering up their tracks. They turned VPNs off, included russian in meta data, and used russian malware. Hackers are also notoriously chatty, and brag about their exploits. This also wasn't one hack, but a series of hacks.
The dutch actually had been looking at Cozy Bear for a while and infiltrated their operations including catching them on camera.
Tracks can be covered up, but the russians apparently weren't very good at covering up their tracks. They turned VPNs off, included russian in meta data, and used russian malware. Hackers are also notoriously chatty, and brag about their exploits. This also wasn't one hack, but a series of hacks.
The dutch actually had been looking at Cozy Bear for a while and infiltrated their operations including catching them on camera.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:12 am to Oddibe
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If that is the case, then how exactly do we know the Russian government hacked the DNC or if someone left "breadcrumbs" pointing to the Russian government?
Hmm... Go ahead and just swallow that red pill.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:19 am to Oddibe
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I have very very little knowledge of hacking or the ability of someone to cover their tracks while doing so, but it is my understanding that the hacker can make it look like someone else actually committed the hacking. Is that true?
You can hide your location by using zombies, spoofing and proxies....and yes, you can even leave evidence to implicate someone else.
It is much harder to hide the fact that the intrusion itself occurred though.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:24 am to Oddibe
I mean, hacking is like a lot of other crimes. It can be difficult to uncover. You can leave tracks that implicate someone else. It’s not unique in that regard.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:26 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Now , I've no doubt that those dirty fricking Ruskies play dirty, including hacking into computers, but we do not know that it is PROVEN that they did it.
Jesus. So much denial. Just stop the insanity.
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And further, the fact that we the US have the ability to hack into a system and leave bread crumbs pointing to someone else would seem to indicate to a reasonable person that we are also hacking into computer systems around the world
Oh now we're bargaining with the truth. Lol. You guys are a mess
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:46 am to McChowder
quote:Is the Russian government so bold as to not hide the fact or are they just inept?
You can hide your location by using zombies, spoofing and proxies....and yes, you can even leave evidence to implicate someone else.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:49 am to Ebbandflow
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Jesus. So much denial. Just stop the insanity.
Denial? Sir, you believe what you want to believe, I believe what facts tell me is true, and as of now neither your nor I have seen facts that prove Russia hacked the DNC server.
If you have seen the facts with your own two eyes, do tell.
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Oh now we're bargaining with the truth. Lol. You guys are a mess
Bargaining with the truth? LOL I Just find it laughable that we are upset that countries are doing to us what we are obviously doing to them.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:40 pm to Oddibe
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Is the Russian government so bold as to not hide the fact or are they just inept?
A lot of the Russian talent pool (or majority of) works for organized crime. Political implications and considerations are not usually at the forefront of their decision making.
They have a relationship with the Government that serves their mutual interests. They know they will be rewarded if they infiltrate a high value target. Whether it is an individual, government system or corporation. They dont need explicit orders from on high.
I find it hard to believe Moscow was running point on this operation. They would not have been so careless.
It is much more likely that an organized crime outfit is responsible. They have strong links to the Kremlin because Russia is a Kleptocracy.
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