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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:51 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:51 am to squid_hunt
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From a political standpoint, porn is bread and circus. You tell me.
So bread is immoral, gotcha.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:24 pm to squid_hunt
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Weird that conservatives are now expected to concede all morality to libertarians.
And also concede it to the secular/irreligious conservatives. (I lack a better descriptive than secular/irreligious. It’s not intended as a pejorative or to imply disrespect.)
It’s a real issue and why a coalition of Christian conservatives, secular/irreligious conservatives, and libertarians strong enough to roll back the evil tide of progressive socialism and stateless corporate globalism is being constructed on a foundation of sand.
There’s quite a few comments in this thread, some harsher than others, telling Christian conservatives to shut up, pound sand, and keep their morality to themselves. In my opinion, the secular/irreligious conservatives’ and libertarians’ position is self-serving, cynical, and hypocritical for a few reasons.
For one, on many social matters, were a Venn diagram drawn, there would be significant overlap of the positions of progressive socialists, and secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians regarding same-sex marriage, pornography, drug legalization, abortion and possibly more. For the most part, Christian conservatives’ positions on these issues fall outside this overlap.
Here’s the problem, Libertarians and secular/irreligious conservatives want Christian conservatives’ voting numbers, their money, and their support for the issues important to secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians but their apparent disrespect for Christian conservatives’ and their Faith, (which informs and undergirds Christians’ politics) equals or exceeds the hostility and contempt progressive socialist leftists express for Christianity and conservative Christians.
Secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians want Christian conservatives’ support for sound fiscal policies, controlling illegal immigration, military readiness, judicial conservatism, strict constitutionalism, opposition to globalist communism but want them to be quiet and bite their tongues on abortion, same-sex marriage, pornography, and drug legalization, et al. That is to say secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians have made peace with certain social policies, their consciences clear and unperturbed, which are fundamental elements of the progressive socialist left’s agenda.
On the other hand however, if the progressive socialist policy happens to touch on a biological male identifying as a female competing against the secular/irreligious conservative’s high school daughter running track, or the libertarian’s young children being taught the joys of transgender at a drag-queen story hour, or all their children being poisoned by Critical Race Theory, or limiting the number of rounds in their weapons’ magazines-then Christian conservative support is tolerable, maybe desirable, possibly necessary.
Christian conservatives are justified asking in these instances why are transgender athletes, drag-queen story hours, Critical Race Theory, and the elimination of 2nd Amendment rights bad things for our Republic when same-sex marriage, pornography, rampant drug problems, and the legalized industrial killing of 68,000,000 American infants for profit are acceptable things?
And what plumb line is used to differentiate between them? By what compass can we steer this coalition we’re trying to build so it doesn’t dash itself to bits on the rocks in the storm ahead?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:45 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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Here’s the problem, Libertarians and secular/irreligious conservatives want Christian conservatives’ voting numbers, their money, and their support for the issues important to secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians but their apparent disrespect for Christian conservatives’ and their Faith
That's literally everyone. You may not respect atheists, but you'd certainly appreciate them protesting against hate speech laws that would, amongst other things, target your church. But maybe they shouldn't because yall disagree on 10 commandment monuments in courthouses...
You can, and need to, compartmentalize these battles.
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Secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians want Christian conservatives’ support for sound fiscal policies, controlling illegal immigration, military readiness, judicial conservatism, strict constitutionalism, opposition to globalist communism but want them to be quiet and bite their tongues on abortion, same-sex marriage, pornography, and drug legalization, et al.
Conservatives have spoken out against pornography for a long time and haven't inspired 30+ page threads on TD, or created the twitter traffic this TPUSA event did with their email to Brandi Love. That fact should tell you that your read on this is incorrect. It's not that conservatives need to bite their tongue, its that they need to put aside their differences *for now* and deal with the larger threat.
There is one upside to all this. I doubt there's any porn in communist gulags. Maybe you'll get your wish there.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:46 pm to Azkiger
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So bread is immoral, gotcha.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and only assume you're a troll level moron and not total.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:50 pm to Azkiger
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You can, and need to, compartmentalize these battles.
Conversation literally started over a porn star using a conservative organization to advertise her porn site. When she got called out, libertarians jumped in to pretend that they had a say-so when they've made it clear they're not with conservatives.
"Lolz! Conservative means porn stars and trannies or get out!"
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:50 pm to squid_hunt
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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and only assume you're a troll level moron and not total.
"Bread and circus" represents a distraction, not something immoral. You're using that to describe something that you feel is both immoral and a distraction.
I know that sounded profound inside your own head, but it didn't help your argument out at all.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:51 pm to squid_hunt
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Conversation literally started over a porn star using a conservative organization to advertise her porn site.
I'm unaware of this, can you link to said advertisement?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:51 pm to Azkiger
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"Bread and circus" represents a distraction, not something immoral. You're using that to describe something that you feel is both immoral and a distraction.
Since you have a problem following your own line of questioning, let me help. You asked if bread and circus meant big government. The answer is yes. Try to keep up.
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Correction. You asked if porn led to big government. Since porn is bread and circus, i.e. a distraction, the answer is yes.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 12:53 pm to Azkiger
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I'm unaware of this, can you link to said advertisement?
Publicity, how does it work?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:08 pm to squid_hunt
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Correction. You asked if porn led to big government. Since porn is bread and circus, i.e. a distraction, the answer is yes.
Go back one more step, that question was inspired from a comment you made. You said Christians giving up ground in the culture war (accepting/turning a blind eye to things they felt were immoral) has led us to a place where Washington DC is attacking personal rights.
I don't see the connection to Brandi Love having an onlyfans account to authoritarianism. Is there a historical link between the two? Have past communist regimes used porn to seize power?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:10 pm to squid_hunt
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Publicity, how does it work?
That's what I thought.
Can you link any posts where you voiced concern that backing Donald Trump, or allowing him to speak at Christian/conservative events would be him literally advertising for adultery?
Or did you heed my earlier advice, realize that there are separate battles to fight, and he was a great ally for now?
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:15 pm to Azkiger
Guess you missed the part where I said you could tolerate something without promoting it or giving it a platform. Porn isn't conservative. But modern libertarians, just like other leftists, demand full throated endorsement.
You already quoted my response. Porn is a deliberate distraction. It is ubiquitous and free. That's not happenstance. A supposed right to do or look at porn does not make it moral or wise.
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I don't see the connection to Brandi Love having an onlyfans account to authoritarianism.
You already quoted my response. Porn is a deliberate distraction. It is ubiquitous and free. That's not happenstance. A supposed right to do or look at porn does not make it moral or wise.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:17 pm to Azkiger
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Can you link any posts where you voiced concern that backing Donald Trump, or allowing him to speak at Christian/conservative events would be him literally advertising for adultery?
I have disagreed multiple times with Donald Trump's pretend Christianity and sometimes gross Christian propaganda. But Donald Trump has expressed regret over his divorces/adultery. Sincere or otherwise, he isn't using his platform to push those ideas. I'm not surprised you can't see the difference.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:17 pm to squid_hunt
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But modern libertarians, just like other leftists, demand full throated endorsement.
I don't. So there goes your shitty theory.
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You already quoted my response.
I figured I'd give you another swing at it but I understand not wanting to try again.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:19 pm to squid_hunt
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But Donald Trump has expressed regret over his divorces/adultery.
I'm unaware of this, got links?
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Sincere or otherwise, he isn't using his platform to push those ideas.
But you know Brandi was going too?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:19 pm to Azkiger
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I don't. So there goes your shitty theory.
You're doing it right now.
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I figured I'd give you another swing at it
Why? Would that make your responses any less disingenuous?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:20 pm to Azkiger
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But you know Brandi was going too?
She is an active porn star. She was showing up for publicity. And since her position isn't conservative, she should be asked to leave by someone who values conservatism.
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I'm unaware of this, got links?
Nope.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:22 pm to squid_hunt
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You're doing it right now.
I've demanded your full throated support of pornography?
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Why? Would that make your responses any less disingenuous?
This coming from the person who called me a troll level moron?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:22 pm to squid_hunt
Brandi got more publicity out of this banning than she would have ever gotten from attendance, but yeah, her going there would have allowed her to tweet from it and continue marketing herself as a conservative pornstar, so right or wrong, I get why turning point did what they did or at least felt they had to do it.
I also don’t remember Donald Trump ever apologizing for the adultery or divorces and would love a link
I also don’t remember Donald Trump ever apologizing for the adultery or divorces and would love a link
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:24 pm to Azkiger
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I've demanded your full throated support of pornography?
I guess I misinterpreted your interest in this argument. If you're not here to demand conservatives accept porn stars, what is the point you're trying to make?
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This coming from the person who called me a troll level moron?
No, that was genuine.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:25 pm
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