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re: Political board DEMs/Leftist
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
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How a typical thread goes these days:
You poor, poor victim.
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
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How a typical thread goes these days: OP: Hey libs, given (everything is always a given) that you are monsters who just want to create a communist/fascist/Antichrist state and Biden is senile/ is owned by China/lost the election how do you fricking live with yourselves? 1st post: they’re all scumbags that’s how
I'll try again.
Given your outrage (This is a given) about “Russia Collusion” and undeniable support of non-stop investigations into Trump/Russia(which were based on lies..declassified docs show this, and the Special Counsel showed no evidence), how can you justify not being equally outraged about Joe being undeniable compromised by China and not calling for investigations?
How are you not outraged by Hunter and Burisma?
How are you not outraged by China giving Hunter $1b?
simply replace Hunter with DonJ/Eric and tell me the reaction...
I'm all for a high standard of Accountability, but it must be applied equally...so why the double standard?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:22 am to bstew3006
quote:i cannot believe we're still doing this.
Where was the Trump/Russia proof? Why the double standard?
look, if you dont want your campaign investigated for Russian collusion, tell your campaign manager to stop colluding with Russia.
and thats not me saying that, thats the republicans, thats the Senate Intel report, who flat out said Manafort was working with and passing information to a known and active Russian intelligence officer. They called Manafort a "grave counterintelligence threat". the report is 900 pages long and 150 of them are about how shady Manafort is.
what the hell do you actually expect people to do in a situation like that?
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:45 am to Guardian
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i cannot believe we're still doing this. look, if you dont want your campaign investigated for Russian collusion, tell your campaign manager to stop colluding with Russia.
Ahhh, yes, the man that was on the campaign for 4 months...got it.
Just going to ignore the rest of the report that showed the findings about the DOJ/FBI/SC withholding information to defraud the Fisa courts to further the investigation? The FBI reports that showed no COllusion but ignored that evidence to go after the Trump? What about M. Flynn and how that was handled...Just gonna have a double standard and be intellectually dishonest bc it helps a narrative to destroy ppl you disagree with? Take everything that has come out on Joe/Hunter/Ukraine/China and apply it to Trump, there would already be investigations and impeachment process.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:46 am to bstew3006
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There was no evidence that Trump was aided by Russia or of Trump/Russian collusion...ZERO! Declassified documents showed there wasn't evidence..not a smidgen.
The Mueller Report found both evidence of collusion and obstruction of justice. There was coordination with the Russians through Paul Manafort and Flynn and Erik Prince among others throughout the campaign. They were sharing polling data on the Midwestern states that were key to his victory in 2016, and aware of Wikileaks drops. His campaign manager, advisor, national security advisor, and multiple staffers all either pled guilty or were found guilty before he pardoned them. At best, he had plausible deniability by using buffers, but that’s hard to buy. Without Barr, you might have seen an entirely different outcome.
It wasn’t zero evidence. There were hundreds of pages of evidence. He got away with it. It is what it is.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:50 am to CaTiger85
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You require definitive proof before an investigation? Have you always felt this way? Also, if there is difinitive proof, what is the purpose of the investigation? You are a mess
That's what is hilarious and astounding!
They claim Definitive proof, but all declassified docs and investigations have shown, there wasn't definitive proof and evidence was actually withheld (by intelligence agencies) to paint a narrative to start an investigation in an effort to overturn the election.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:56 am to geauxbluey
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The Mueller Report found both evidence of collusion and obstruction of justice. There was coordination with the Russians through Paul Manafort and Flynn and Erik Prince among others throughout the campaign. They were sharing polling data on the Midwestern states that were key to his victory in 2016, and aware of Wikileaks drops. His campaign manager, advisor, national security advisor, and multiple staffers all either pled guilty or were found guilty before he pardoned them. At best, he had plausible deniability by using buffers, but that’s hard to buy. Without Barr, you might have seen an entirely different outcome. It wasn’t zero evidence. There were hundreds of pages of evidence. He got away with it. It is what it is.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:05 am to Guardian
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the report is 900 pages long and 150 of them are about how shady Manafort is.
Manafort, Stone, Black, and Kelly was known as the Torturer’s Lobby. They lobbied Mobutu Sese-Seko and Ferdinand Marco decades before Manafort got into trouble in Ukraine. At best, Trump had plausible deniability and he just didn’t know how deeply corrupt and awful the people around him were. At worst, he willingly participated in all of it.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:06 am to CaTiger85
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You cannot just say things, you have to prove them. If there is honest proof of China "owning" Biden, then I'm all for an investigation into it.
You require definitive proof before an investigation? Have you always felt this way? Also, if there is difinitive proof, what is the purpose of the investigation? You are a mess
Look, I'm about as conservative as they come (not a conspiracy theory conservative but conservative values) and this type of thinking is how we have gotten to this low place. Besides to some of ourselves, nothing we say right now is deemed as being even the slightest bit credible.
My fear is we're in a vicious cycle of digging ourselves in deeper and deeper.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:16 am to bstew3006
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:34 am to bstew3006
quote:and why is that? are we really gonna do this? why was he only there for 4 months?
Ahhh, yes, the man that was on the campaign for 4 months...got it.
its because the 2016 GOP platform about Ukraine and Russia suddenly changed, it went from saying we would provide Ukraine with "lethal defensive weapons" to "appropriate assistance".
The GOP said the campaign made the changes and the campaign said the GOP made the changes, but then Manaforts name showed up on black ledger accounts saying he was getting paid by Russians, and that was pretty much the end of him.
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:44 pm to geauxbluey
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If Biden were unable to complete his term, Kamala would complete it and become the first woman president - and also eligible for two more terms.
Not so fast my friend. If she were to serve more than 2 years of Biden's term, she is only eligible for one more term. So I guess "Weekend at Bernie's" needs to go on for at least 2 years.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:30 pm to Guardian
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cannot believe we're still doing this.
look, if you dont want your campaign investigated for Russian collusion, tell your campaign manager to stop colluding with Russia.
Here you go
Cannot believe we’re still doing this
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