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Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:26 pm to
Has wikileaks or the HLI's mentioned any specific names, places, or dates? I'm beginning to think this situation is so political that it will never come to light.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 4:27 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:06 pm to
Clinton Global Initiative

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Post Harvest Project: Reducing Waste for Food Security

Commitment by NanoICE, Inc.
In 2012, Craig Rominger of NanoICE committed to launch The Post Harvest Project (TPHP), a pilot project aimed at reducing waste, improving nutrition, and supporting the livelihoods in Ghana's fisheries. By installing new cold chain systems using NanoICE Molecular Ice Technology(TM) and building a manufacturing plant at the Port of Tema with a transportation station at Lake Volta to make organic fertilizer from fish waste, PHP and its partners will reduce fish waste, waterway and harbor pollution, and methane gas emissions; as well as increase protein consumption, food product shelf life, and product margins; and provide new employment/business opportunities, while decreasing malnutrition.


Interactive human trafficking map/list

scroll down page and look at recent activity...



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local NH article

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State, local and federal agents execute warrants at Alderman’s home, businesses
By: CAROL ROBIDOUX | February 14, 2017


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MANCHESTER, NH –Ward 8 Alderman Thomas Katsiantonis and two businesses he operates are under investigation by local, state and federal authorities.


Katsiantonis
Associate Attorney General Jane Young confirmed on Feb. 14 that authorities executed warrants at four locations in Manchester. Three businesses – Zoey’s Pizza on Candia Road, Grand Slam Pizza on Mammoth Road, and Tommy K’s on Brown Avenue. The latter two businesses are owned by Katsiantonis, an alderman and NH State Rep. Young also confirmed that a warrant was also issued for Katsiantonis’ residence at 45 Glen Bloom Drive in Manchester.


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Although the search warrants have been sealed, Young said it is a financial investigation.

“We’ve been working with a number of agencies throughout this investigation,” Young said Tuesday. “And our investigation has been ongoing for a number of months. It’s anticipated to continue for several weeks if not several months.”

Young said the search warrants are an initial step in the investigation. No arrests have been made “at this juncture,” Young said.


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Katsiantonis was elected to the Board of Aldermen in 2011. A democrat, he is serving his sixth term as a New Hampshire State Rep, and sits on the State-Federal Relations, and Veterans Affairs committees. According to the NH General Court website, Katsiantonis has not been present for a roll call vote since Jan. 4, 2017, and missed the last 19 votes this session, where he is listed as “not voting/not excused.”

In 2016 he voted 23 times out of 235 roll call votes between Jan. 6 and June 16, for which the majority of the votes he is also listed as “not voting/not excused.”


Gratuitous cheap shots..






This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 5:15 pm
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

You probably know my other motivation for posting this stuff..

What's that?

I'm sure I do, just not sure what you're getting at
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:55 pm to

Show them opportunity rather than failure. The gap between what could be today and what is implies the conspiracy without you bringing the negativity to the table; let the recipient grasp that last part for themselves.



We suggest that in addition to trying to unravel conspiracy like pizzagate and the like that you add an additional prong to your arsenal: seek to demonstrate opportunity and let the gap between our potential and the realized state of affairs serve as a proof of conspiracy to those who are less aware. You can show people that there is something deeply wrong by giving them hope which we all need to cope with the darkness that is real.



We have heavy hearts about a dark world, more so than most of you can imagine. The ability to act with agency can really only emerge from a deeply cynical and skeptical outlook, a mind that isn't tricked by the illusion of civilization rather than the reality of the law of the jungle. To perceive the gap between what is and could be is arguably even darker a perception than awareness of pedo rings and assassinations of dissidents, but does come with opportunity and a path forward rather than pure negativity.
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:32 pm to
You have more faith in this place than I do. I often wonder why I subject myself to the nonsense around here.

The media and some of our leaders have created an uninformed and misguided monster that won't stop screaming long enough to think objectively.. and the rest of us are just as ignorant for thinking we can reason with them.
Posted by BamaChemE
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:01 pm to
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and the rest of us are just as ignorant for thinking we can reason with them.




Logical discourse (including refutations and requests for proof) are the only hope to have people think again.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

The media and some of our leaders have created an uninformed and misguided monster that won't stop screaming long enough to think objectively.. and the rest of us are just as ignorant for thinking we can reason with them.



Your comment made me think of something I read a while back (see below in bold/underlined)

The whole write up linked at the bottom is rather profound...

quote:

Brain Damage Lyrics

Brain Damage




The lunatic is on the grass.
The lunatic is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the loonies on the path.

The lunatic is in the hall.
The lunatics are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

The lunatic is in my head.
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.



I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvelous! Hahaha!


I think the media (papers in that era) is well referenced above.

Lunatic is on the grass, then in the hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.

Media = source of lunacy...

This fits with the themes below



quote:

Brain Damage is about losing your mind and going insane.

The first verse talks about insanity that is caused by happening what's outside your head, with the line,"The lunatic is in the grass." This would be the type of insanity that people see in the physical world, it's a type of tangible insanity.

The second verse continues in this vain, but brings the insanity into a more personal area with the lines, "The lunatic is in my hall." The lyrics have moved insanity from the outer and wider world in the first verse to the private home of the person in the second verse. This type of insanity is a bit more personal and it sounds a lot more disconcerting.

The first chorus talks about finally having a mental breakdown, potentially much earlier than a person should have a breakdown. After the mental breakdown, the final line of the chorus says, "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon." The dark side of the moon mentioned in this song is a place for insanity and ideas that are destructive. Of course since the moon is always dark, its also suggesting everyone to a certain point is mad.

The final verse now moves insanity to its most personal location, inside your head with the line, "The lunatic is in my head." The verse suggests that the person who is losing his mind will pay any price in order to make him/her sane again, and subsequently they will isolate themselves in order to stop any further destruction of themselves or others.

The final chorus again elaborates on having a mental breakdown. With the line, "And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes... I'll see you on the dark side of the moon," it would appear that the madness was caused by not being able to align your views with the views of everyone else, or most likely society in general. Ultimately that line in the song seems to suggest that people go crazy by resisting what they are told to do all of the time.

However, on the previous songs in the album, Money, Us and Them, and Any Color You Like discuss the ideas that everyone in society go along with that are insane. From a larger perspective it seems you are insane by following the ideas discussed in Money, Us and Them, and Any Color You Like, or you go insane by resisting them like in Brain Damage.[/quote]


[quote]A Cautionary Tale

Dark Side of the Moon is ultimately a united group of thematic ideas that act as a cautionary tale. There is a lot of bleak lyrics and the concept itself is fairly bleak. The bleak concepts on the album are referred to as the dark side of the moon. The hopeful ideas and concepts related to humanity are represented by the sun which only appears at the end of the album.

In effect the album is a cautionary tale because all of the songs describe or bring awareness to the dark side of the moon, or the various ideas that lead to an unfulfilled life and ultimately insanity. The ending of the album though reminds listeners of the sun for the first time, or gives listeners a glimpse of hope with all of the positive ideas associated with being human.

With the moon eclipsing the sun at the end of the album, the album seems to suggest that the madness will pass like the eclipse that is blocking the sun will eventually come to pass.


DSOM


This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:34 pm to
There's a video comparing voices of Podesta to the leaked torture video. It is someone torturing a kid and it sounds like Podesta. It's posted in a couple places so have at it.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

There's a video comparing voices of Podesta to the leaked torture video. It is someone torturing a kid and it sounds like Podesta. It's posted in a couple places so have at it.


I linked to the topic a few pages back (via voat.co link)

A few sources were trying to clean up the audio (reports of the child saying John and Skippy are hard to verify)

Sick stuff
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:49 pm to
I saw a video that had podesta speaking and then cuts into the torture video sort of thing to give comparison. Just scanning through it looks like you are doing a good job on this topic Thine . In case you hadn't seen it:

The FBI has confirmed to Channel 3 News that they executed a raid on a Strongsville international adoption agency Tuesday morning.

>On Tuesday the FBI raided their offices and the home of its founder – but they wouldn’t elaborate on the nature of the raid other than to say they were “executing a warrant.”

>Among the allegations by the state department, the EAC "…failed to adequately supervise…preventing the sale, abduction, exploitation, or trafficking of children."

And that they failed safety procedures that prevent "…solicitation of bribes; Fraudulently obtaining birth parent consent…" to get the children here.

https://archive.is/7J4W5
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:54 pm to


The current buzz is that /pol/ may be censored....


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This is just a friendly public service announcement: It would seem like any and all discussion about pizzagate is now being censored from /pol/. Mods are giving out the warning: "Role-playing and alternate reality games are not politics. Take it somewhere else."
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:57 pm to
they wont go down without a fight.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:59 pm to
4/pol/ has been for sometime. I use 8/pol/. And on occasion go to another. But yeah, 4/pol/ is pretty censored now.
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

ThinePreparedAni

Man, I'm curious.. how old are you? You remind me of a younger me, just substitute the Pink Floyd with Tool

and that infographic might make it difficult for the posters that contribute with "lols"
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:44 pm
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6036 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:04 am to
quote:

There's a video comparing voices of Podesta to the leaked torture video. It is someone torturing a kid and it sounds like Podesta. It's posted in a couple places so have at it.


That was hard to watch.
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:42 am to
quote:

Has wikileaks or the HLI's mentioned any specific names, places, or dates?


It seems HLI has assumed a new identity in "Space Elevator", and his message has been focused on economic projects.

I haven't really been following. I haven't even read through them yet, but here are some of his post

and even if he's LARPing, he's changing the way people think and shining light on what could be possible

and here is a link to the thread on 2/11


Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

LINK [Embed]

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

LINK

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: LINK

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshite. Not only is it bullshite, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshite for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shite because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

This has the pretense of being an interesting line of thought but really is no such thing.

Ultimately, we would like to drive the price of everything down to zero. That is to say, we'd like to live in a post-scarcity society where you can have what you want.

Collapsing the price of input commodities is among the greatest achievements that mankind can strive towards. It means you in turn collapse the prices of food, housing, health care, cars, whatever. This is where we want to go.

How you want to account for the value of such achievements is essentially a semantic game. One could hypothesize a post-scarcity society where prices across all commodities are zero and say, aha! the market no longer delivers any value! Or something less extreme, a world nearing post-scarcity and therefore systemic downtrends of prices towards zero and thus a semantic trick available of saying 'less' value is being delivered by noting falling prices. But obviously this is absurd, and you are doing the same sort of thing.



Again, pretending to be interesting but obviously not.

By deploying a space elevator and solar generation, we can produce energy at costs about 30x lower than prevailing market rates.

Nothing compels us to sell at the acquisition cost however. If we sell power at 15x the cost of acquisition, that is still undercutting the current generators by 50% while retaining hundreds of billions of profit from the US market. Global energy consumption is around $9T per year, so we could profit in excess of $4T per year by selling at half of the current price.

Of course, the more nuanced view is even better for us. By slashing energy prices 50%, consumption would increase dramatically. Because we have the cheapest form of energy available, 100% of this growth in consumption represents growth in the profitability of the project which already has a baseline of many trillions of dollars in benefit per year.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 5:00 am
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:44 am to
The US already does this in effect - it is called the petrodollar regime. We force the world to trade energy supplies in dollars, propping up the value of the dollar, which we in turn use to effectively skim a cut off of every transaction for free.

The present circumstances of world geopolitics in other words is that the US is committing highway robbery by force.

The only real geopolitical shift we are talking about is one of mutually improved circumstances, i.e., energy is cheaper and more abundant for us all. The usury class and the degenerate politicians who depend upon economic hardship to suppress and distract the masses would be in serious trouble, but no one else really.

Your points are of no consequence. The portion of trade conducted in dollars throughout the world is about 2/3, rising to about 95% if you include a couple geopolitically inseparable entities like the EU/Euro and British/Pound.

The world reserve currency enforced by military supremacy is a geopolitical reality regardless of a handful of transactions outside the domain. In other words, the enforcement of US trade superiority by force is already the way in which the world works, so suggesting that the project is not viable because we can't act unilaterally is laughably absurd. We already do it.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:08 am to
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I often wonder why I subject myself to the nonsense around here.
Because the insanity is highly entertaining. That's why.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:30 pm to
Updates:

Appears that the labor secretary does not like trafficking...

Miami Herald

quote:


MIAMI-DADE COUNTY
FEBRUARY 16, 2017 2:28 PM

A passion of Trump’s new Labor secretary pick: Trafficking ‘is evil. It is hideous.’ . Alexander Acosta, pictured as U.S. attorney in 2007.

From the archive: Alexander Acosta, the FIU law dean and the former U.S. attorney from Miami, was tapped Thursday to lead the U.S. Labor Department. Here is a June 2004 story from the Miami Herald archives about Acosta, when he led the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and targeted human trafficking. Read more here: LINK


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