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re: Peace in Ukraine ... an exercise in how it might look
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:13 pm to AGGIES
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:13 pm to AGGIES
quote:You are probably correct.
Russia’s stated position is that a ceasefire is off the table, and Ukraine should have no NATO security guarantees as part of a peace deal.
Why would Russia change their position if they already have the knowledge of the US blaming Zelensky for starting the war and threatening to withhold aid?
They’ll be satisfied with continuing to turn Ukrainian towns into rubble for now.
Trump really fricked any chance for an equitable peace settlement, running his mouth.
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:17 pm to AggieHank86
Ukraine is a giant money laundering operation … the entire country is a grift
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:19 pm to AggieHank86
Ukraine joining NATO was off the table long before Trump got in office. Ukraine joining NATO was off the table in year 2 of this war.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:21 pm to AggieHank86
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but Ukraine gets to join NATO as an Article V guarantee that Russia will not attempt to take another bite at the Ukrainian apple in the future?
Brother AggieHank, you simply don't understand why Putin invaded Ukraine in the first place?????????????????????
NATO must be out of Ukraine, PERIOD
why do you think 1 million are dead?
do you think that was a warning shot??????????????????????
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:21 pm to AggieHank86
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What if all parties agree that Russia keeps what it has stolen, but Ukraine gets to join NATO as an Article V guarantee that Russia will not attempt to take another bite at the Ukrainian apple in the future?
Keeping Ukraine out of NATO was the primary reason for the war. So, I think that is the last concession Russia would agree to.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:21 pm to LARancher1991
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Ukraine joining NATO was off the table long before Trump got in office. Ukraine joining NATO was off the table in year 2 of this war.
NO!
It was off the table in 2007
go back and listen to the tapes
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:26 pm to ApexTiger
quote:Because something that Putin envisioned as a short, "splendid little war" did not go as planned. He was caught completely flatfooted, when his forces did not seize Kyiv in the first two weeks. By all appearances, he had no "Plan B," and got stuck in a meatgrinder, rather than losing face by pulling out completely.
why do you think 1 million are dead?
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 5:04 pm to HooDooWitch
LSUFreek
tGOAT
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tGOAT
Posted on 3/3/25 at 5:17 pm to LARancher1991
quote:That certainly confirms that you think it would be pointless.quote:Because it would be pointless to propose Ukraine joining NATO as part of a peace plan when Russia has already stated multiple times that they will under no circumstances accept any deal that includes the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO.
I am still waiting for one of you to explain how (a) making a proposal to Putin of peace terms (b) somehow causes WW3.
It does nothing to explain how presentation of such a proposal to Putin would ignite WW3, as has been claimed by at least three different posters above.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 5:19 pm
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