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Overturning RvW is a great victory for Libertarians
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:32 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:32 am
If you’re a Libertarian you’re happy with the outcome.
Prove me wrong
Prove me wrong
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:35 am to Padme
“Prove me Wrong” threads are lazy.
Present your case.
Present your case.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:37 am to AggieHank86
You’ll just attack the poster anyway and Ignore the topic. Sounds lazy to me
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:50 am to Padme
You're correct. Anyone who claims to be libertarian, yet supports abortion being legal, is not intellectually consistent.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:56 am to imjustafatkid
Please expound.
Libertarians, like all other Americans, disagree significantly on the issue of legal abortion.
In libertarian terms, the question is not one of “When do rights vest,“ but rather one of “when does the nonaggression principle apply.”
Less than 1/3 of libertarians are absolutists on this point.
As to Dobbs, I suspect that most libertarians will be in agreement, because libertarians generally consider “limited government” to be a good thing, and moving the matter to the states is a small step in the direction of “limited government.”
Libertarians, like all other Americans, disagree significantly on the issue of legal abortion.
In libertarian terms, the question is not one of “When do rights vest,“ but rather one of “when does the nonaggression principle apply.”
Less than 1/3 of libertarians are absolutists on this point.
As to Dobbs, I suspect that most libertarians will be in agreement, because libertarians generally consider “limited government” to be a good thing, and moving the matter to the states is a small step in the direction of “limited government.”
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:57 am to Padme
quote:
If you’re a Libertarian you’re happy with the outcome.
Prove me wrong
There are 2 sides to this argument, actually. It's split the libertarian community (like many other issues)
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:57 am to AggieHank86
This ^^^^
And This:
And This:
quote:
Libertarians, like all other Americans, disagree significantly on the issue of legal abortion. In libertarian terms, the question is not one of “When do rights vest,“ but rather one of “when does the nonaggression principle apply.” Less than 1/3 of libertarians are absolutists on this point. As to Dobbs, I suspect that most libertarians will be in agreement, because libertarians generally consider “limited government” to be a good thing, and moving the matter to the states is a small step in the direction of “limited government.”
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 6:59 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:58 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Anyone who claims to be libertarian, yet supports abortion being legal, is not intellectually consistent.
That depends.
Within the past 3 days, Louisiana just got a LOT more state power against women. That's not very libertarian.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:01 am to DawgCountry
quote:Yes, I do tend to believe that we are unlikely to see a worthwhile opinion from a poster who is unable to construct a simple English sentence with subject-verb agreement.
You’ll just attack the poster anyway
Sue me.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Within the past 3 days, Louisiana just got a LOT more state power against women. That's not very libertarian.
Sure, but that has to potential to be changed over time, no? Isn’t putting the power in the states and not the federal government a form of limited government? Unless you are being sarcastic here, then pardon my ignorance.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:10 am to Padme
You know, I don’t know if this is necessarily a libertarian victory as much as it is a victory for the manner in which this country was designed to function from the very beginning, so I am chalking this up as a victory for our Constitution and for those who believe in our founding principles, and various states rights. This is where true freedom just won. Thomas Jefferson is smiling again. You are now free to move about the country and live where it best suits you.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:14 am to ElRoos
quote:
Sure, but that has to potential to be changed over time, no?
Sure, but having it as a "right" didn't require the step, which make sit more libertarian from that perspective.
More rights against government intrusion = more libertarian to many libertarians
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Isn’t putting the power in the states and not the federal government a form of limited government?
No difference
And for this argument you're misphrasing things. The federal government decreased power. You're not "putting power" in its hands with Roe.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:16 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:15 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Sue me.
Post your info and I’ll give it the old college try.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:16 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:Good post.
Mike da Tigah
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
There are 2 sides to this argument, actually. It's split the libertarian community (like many other issues)
Yeah libertarians have lots of cowards just like any other group.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:19 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:
Yeah libertarians have lots of cowards just like any other group.
What in the frick?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Within the past 3 days, Louisiana just got a LOT more state power against women. That's not very libertarian.
Actually, the state preventing and outlawing murder is 100% libertarian.
ETA: You cannot possibly believe in the principle to "first, do no harm" and support abortion. Anyone claiming otherwise isn't libertarian. He's a fool.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:28 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:27 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Actually, the state preventing and outlawing murder is 100% libertarian.
That depends. As stated before, and which is the crux of all abortion arguments, when the NAP applies matters.
There is not a clear answer, so there are multiple sides to the argument with logical and rational arguments on their side.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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when the NAP applies matters
I guess if you think the state shouldn't be "harming" people by throwing them in jail when they kill other people, then I could see that. But that's not libertarian, it's anarchist.
Outside of that, I don't see how one could possibly be ideologically consistent and be a pro-abortion libertarian.
ETA: You basically have to ignore all known scientific evidence about life beginning at conception to come to the conclusion that abortion does no harm.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:31 am
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