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Opposition (left-leaning) party candidate leading Honduran elections

Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted by hondurantiger
Portland, OR
Member since Feb 2007
2175 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:53 pm
Hello my gringo friends.

Dont know how much you all will gaf, but I thought some of you all may be interested in the outcome of my birth country's election results.
This is a few helpful articles. I dont agree with all of their assesments but they are informative reads
Honduran Elections 1

Honduran Elections 2

Honduras had elections last night and as the results are trickling in, it appears that the opposition party candidate (Salvador Nasralla) is leading 855,847 (45.17%) votes against the incumbent (Juan Orland Hernandez) who has 761,872 (40.21%).
This is with 10, 367 ballots out of 18,103 reporting. It is about ~ 90% of votes tallied in the 2 major urban centers (Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula).

Things can change as many of the rural ballots have not been counted and if JOH (Juan Orlando Hernandez) recovers the lead, it might get ugly because there is a sense that it will be due to stuffed ballots.
JOH has a reputation for being shady and the opportunity to cheat is greater in these ballots out in the sticks.

Honduran politics is a mess and the way I see it, the choice is like swallowing a hippopattamus turd or swallowing antifreeze.

On one side, JOH is a wannabe dictator. He has been consolidating power over the last 4 years and stacked the supreme court to allow him to get re-elected to a 2nd term which is not allowed by our constitution.

Your gringo media portrays him as "conservative", but I don't agree with that assesment. See unlike USA, most Hondurans have bigger issues to deal with then micro-agressions and what bathroom a trannie can use so the SJW for the most part does not exist in the way it does here.

What JOH does stand for is the continuation of the status quo which is a very small elite (1% of 1%) who has a stranglehold on all aspects of power and treat the country like it is their hacienda.

His pros is that he has brought some stability to the country and the violence has gotten somewhat better.
He surrounds himself with porbably the most able people in Honduras who are usually people that were educated here in American universities.

The gringo media portrays him as leading the charge against the narcos. While there have been some capos that have been captured and turned over to the US under his watch, the truth is its just the narcos that pissed him off. In fact his own brother was arrested for ties to trafficking.



On the other side we have Salvador Nasralla who is a "trumpesque" disruptive figure in that he is a former sports/tv commentator who launched himself in the last few years into politics with a populist anti-corruption message.
People love this BAW because he has had the balls to challenge the power guys and speak the truth. He comes across as genuine in his desire to really change people's lives for the better.
SIDENOTE: He is sort of an eccentric and through many years people have questioned his sexual leanings.

The BIIIIG drawback is that in this go around he has allied himself with the commie segment such that there is a "man behind the curtain" (Mel Zelaya) which some of you may recall is a former president that got thrown out by our military in a coup. Whether his removal was valid is very controversial. He got booted from power at the time because he was wanting a referendum to decide if he could change the constitution to allow him to get re-elected for a 2nd term. At the time this scared the piss out of the powers that be because of his close alignment with Hugo Chavez. THey used this as reasoining to say he was breaking the constitution and therefore he should be removed.
The wild thing is this is exact same thing JOH is trying to do, but because he is not aligned with socialists...the same MFers that got rid of Mel Zelaya now back JOH...and they do this with a straight face.

I like Salvador because he is genuine. I question his capacity to really solve all the complex issues facing Honduras but at least its not the same establishment type of shitheads.
However his ties to Mel Zelaya scare the piss out of me. Commies suck and latin american commies are the worse.

Anyway, it should be interesting. I know you all get frustrated with American politics...but just be glad you were born in this awesome country. I sure as hell give thanks to Jesus every day I was able to become an american citizen and I do my best everyday to be good citizen.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted by indianswim
Plano, TX
Member since Jan 2010
18717 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:55 pm to
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Posted by willymeaux
Member since Mar 2012
4753 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:19 pm to
It seems like almost every Central and South American election is between a communist and a dictator.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21451 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:49 pm to
It seems like so many of LA countries have no middle class. Is there even enough wealth to support a middle class?
Posted by hondurantiger
Portland, OR
Member since Feb 2007
2175 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:56 pm to
Yes the middle class is lacking.
Money sent from US is a big part of the economy. According to a study, Honduras receives around $12 million daily from Hondurans living abroad.
article en español
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21451 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:57 pm to
Also I'm curious about the role of overpopulation. From one online source.

1900 - 0.54 million
1960 - 1.9 million
2015 - 9.5 million

Do you think overpopulation could be a major factor in Honduran and Latin American poverty and turmoil?

LINK
Posted by hondurantiger
Portland, OR
Member since Feb 2007
2175 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

Do you think overpopulation could be a major factor in Honduran and Latin American poverty and turmoil?



I have been gone from Honduras for a long time now, but anecdotally I would say No.
The cities have definitely gotten more crowded, but there is still a lot of low densely populated rural areas.

Honduras has the area equivalent of Tennessee which has around 6.7 million compared to our our 9.5 million.

I think the root of the issues in Honduras has always been corruption and culture.


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