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re: Only empires are indivisible.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:22 pm to Cuz413
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:22 pm to Cuz413
Why is secession periodically dragged out as if it's actually a serious subject?
Any secession issue was settled on April 9, 1865 at Appomattox Court House. Only the completely delusional believe otherwise.
Any secession issue was settled on April 9, 1865 at Appomattox Court House. Only the completely delusional believe otherwise.
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:24 pm to Cuz413
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Like that doesn't happen already
What a quip. We have to dismantle this particular system that is so unfair to you in order to let you get taxed by another system, which you will no doubt complain is unfair to you, all the while you don't appear to understand anything about geopolitics or economics. Do you see why I'd rather side with the already existing power rather than throw my lot in with the secessionist side? You guys don't appear to understand anything about power, politics, or economics, which doesn't portend well for your nascent state.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:31 pm to crazy4lsu
I wonder how many of these "patriots" ever saw signs reading whites only fountain, colored entrance, black in back. It really existed and it was an ugly fact of life and a black mark on the soul of the United States.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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No, not really. I'm not owning slaves by any measure, which is a pretty big difference.
It's not the morality of the statement, it's the alignment of your value to it. I'm sure slave owners though the EXACT same way.
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An Article V convention can abolish the Constitution itself?
Absolutely. The founders recognized the sovereignty of the states above all else. Even then they had a hard time getting Maryland to sign due to land disputes.
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Several states leaving simultaneously would absolutely trigger a violent response
From who? And for what reason? The military is prohibited from being deployed against the states. Are you going to grab a rifle and shoot people for not wanting to be in the USA? Who gives you the right to demand no state can leave a union? Do you want the union to stay intact so much as to pull the trigger yourself to shoot another person trying to leave?
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and geopolitical posturing which has resulted in another major current war
Of a country who left another country and the US is supporting the side that seceded from the mother country.
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Firstly, if you have a pension or a retirement plan,
I have both a pension and separate 401K along with multiple multifamily housing real estate, a job, and a business.
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Secondly, I probably have a significant more money at stake than you do
Define significant, because if you're not pushing 8 figures, you're not that far ahead.
Also, it doesn't fricking matter how much money you have, or how much more you have than any other person. It is irrelevant in the context of freedom.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:33 pm to TGFN57
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I wonder how many of these "patriots" ever saw signs reading whites only fountain, colored entrance, black in back. It really existed and it was an ugly fact of life and a black mark on the soul of the United States.
I never saw them, but I do know that Jim Crow culture started up North.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:35 pm to AggieHank86
Please go on another 6 month vacation.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:38 pm to AggieHank86
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This poster has written a Manifesto.
Guaranteed.
I laughed.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:45 pm to Cuz413
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It's not the morality of the statement, it's the alignment of your value to it. I'm sure slave owners though the EXACT same way.
You aren't a victim here brother. You can try to make whatever moral equivalence you want.
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Absolutely. The founders recognized the sovereignty of the states above all else. Even then they had a hard time getting Maryland to sign due to land disputes.
Yes I'm well aware, but it isn't the 1790's anymore.
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From who? And for what reason? The military is prohibited from being deployed against the states.
States are prohibited from unilateral secession, yet you are sure it is going to occur. The US security state is going to protect itself by any means, legality be damned. Sorry that you are so naïve you can't realize that.
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Are you going to grab a rifle and shoot people for not wanting to be in the USA? Who gives you the right to demand no state can leave a union? Do you want the union to stay intact so much as to pull the trigger yourself to shoot another person trying to leave?
Yes. It would be funny to shoot a bunch of fat people.
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Of a country who left another country and the US is supporting the side that seceded from the mother country.
Cool, but it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about the USSR breaking apart peacefully, which was your original claim.
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I have both a pension and separate 401K along with multiple multifamily housing real estate, a job, and a business.
Again, thanks for confirming that you are vested in the same political economy that every American is, you intensely dumb dipshit.
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Define significant, because if you're not pushing 8 figures, you're not that far ahead.
My family wealth is definitely far ahead.
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Also, it doesn't fricking matter how much money you have, or how much more you have than any other person. It is irrelevant in the context of freedom.
You idiot, the argument was about the context of that wealth. Good god, you are dim.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:49 pm to Cuz413
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I never saw them, but I do know that Jim Crow culture started up North.
What? I don't think this is right, as several Southern states enacted 'separate but equal' laws in the wake of the Civil War.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:00 pm to crazy4lsu
Separate but equal sounds really fair and might have been but for the fact that it was Separate and always completely unequal.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:17 pm to crazy4lsu
One of my favorite observations about attempting to engage most of the inhabitants on this board is it's like trying to discuss physics with a cat.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:21 pm to TGFN57
Yeah it isn't easy. Their frameworks for things are driven by emotion, so they can't see trends or even agree on aspects of human nature. The argument that an individual's wealth isn't tied to the US's political economy is definitely a very stupid one though.
For me geopolitics determines everything, but the US has been so centralized for so that those issues have been completely smoothed out. But the idea that larger states dominate smaller states isn't new, it is pretty central to human political relations. Why they can't seem to understand that human freedom is subject to certain conditions and always has been is another thing.
For me geopolitics determines everything, but the US has been so centralized for so that those issues have been completely smoothed out. But the idea that larger states dominate smaller states isn't new, it is pretty central to human political relations. Why they can't seem to understand that human freedom is subject to certain conditions and always has been is another thing.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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What? I don't think this is right, as several Southern states enacted 'separate but equal' laws in the wake of the Civil War.
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The first reference to a “Jim Crow car” that I could find in a newspaper, aided by the 21st-century power of digitized databases? The Salem Gazette, Oct. 12, 1838, less than six weeks after the new Eastern Rail Road opened for business on thirteen-and-a-half miles of freshly-laid track from East Boston to Salem, Mass.
Jim Crow and segregation started in the North. Blacks as well as Southern Whites were forced to sit in Jim Crow cars.
The Forgotten Northern Origins of Jim Crow
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Steve Luxenberg is an author and long-time Washington Post editor
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:15 pm to Cuz413
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Jim Crow and segregation started in the North. Blacks as well as Southern Whites were forced to sit in Jim Crow cars.
That's actually an interesting bit of trivia.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes I'm well aware, but it isn't the 1790's anymore.
Nothing has changed to prohibit secession.
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Yes. It would be funny to shoot a bunch of fat people.
You wouldn't do jack shite and you know it. Anybody that cries about how much money they have isn't going to risk their life fighting for someone else's freedoms.
Also, fat people can shoot, a shootout isn't a foot race, dummy.
And you're kidding yourself if you think people in Michigan are going to voluntarily take up arms to fight people in Louisiana, or any other state.
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Cool, but it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about the USSR breaking apart peacefully, which was your original claim.
Fact? You're wrong, again.
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Again, thanks for confirming that you are vested in the same political economy that every American is, you intensely dumb dipshit.
I would burn the whole system even if it meant starting over. The men who fought for their freedom from the British certainly did so.
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My family wealth is definitely far ahead.
Cool. You win the internet award for the day.
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You idiot, the argument was about the context of that wealth. Good god, you are dim.
There were colonists that sided with England because they didn't want their money being disrupted. Just to keep you in that perspective.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:34 pm to Cuz413
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Nothing has changed to prohibit secession.
Except Texas v White and the CW.
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You wouldn't do jack shite and you know it. Anybody that cries about how much money they have isn't going to risk their life fighting for someone else's freedoms.
I would definitely shoot a fat person.
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Also, fat people can shoot, a shootout isn't a foot race, dummy.
I would definitely shoot a fat person.
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And you're kidding yourself if you think people in Michigan are going to voluntarily take up arms to fight people in Louisiana, or any other state.
You are kidding yourself if you think that there is going to be some well-organized secession movement. It will look more like the Syrian Civil War than it would any other conflict, as you would likely have several militia groups aligned to literally every political orientation, including those that would ally with the Federal Government. You aren't really understanding how widely split the demographics in the US are, nor do you seem to understand the geopolitics that would become massive factors in any post-USA situation.
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Fact? You're wrong, again.
Again, the term for this is Post-Soviet Conflicts. The USSR didn't break apart peacefully. From the top of my head, there were issues with 1st-level republics and so-called 2nd-level republics immediately after Dec. 1991, such as in Moldova, Georgia, Tajikistan, in East Prigorodny and a few others, all of which occurred within the year after the dissolution of the USSR.
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I would burn the whole system even if it meant starting over. The men who fought for their freedom from the British certainly did so.
Do it then. Otherwise, you are full of shite and aren't going to jack shite, despite whatever you may claim. You have the chance now. Go into the mountains and start training, you dumb bitch. Otherwise, you are just a dumb retard who is talking about shite they don't understand.
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There were colonists that sided with England because they didn't want their money being disrupted. Just to keep you in that perspective.
Lol. You understand political economy enough to make that reference, but don't seem to understand that political economy is a strong reason why there won't be any successful secession. Please put it together my man.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:54 pm to crazy4lsu
The empire is crumbling and you have your head so far up your arse you can't see it.
I don't need to go hide in the mountains to train, not to beat some punk bitch like you.
I produce almost half my food on site and have always been adept at fixing and creating things. Knowledge and ability is all a man needs to survive.
The dollar is weakening on the world stage, how will the almighty federal government control others when they have no leverage?
I don't need to go hide in the mountains to train, not to beat some punk bitch like you.
I produce almost half my food on site and have always been adept at fixing and creating things. Knowledge and ability is all a man needs to survive.
The dollar is weakening on the world stage, how will the almighty federal government control others when they have no leverage?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 9:37 pm to Tigereye78
The British Empire says hold my beer.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 5:13 am to crazy4lsu
"Dismantle" c-mon man... you guys will be fine without us stupid racist rednecks.
We the people can decide for ourselves on proper taxation. We dont need foreign entities like the Federal Reserve to do it for us.
You are happy with the system because it has enriched you financially. What people like you don't understand is some of us define wealth differently. That's something a Yankee like you will never understand. Your whole thought process perfectly excemptlifies the Evil Yankee Empire of the USA.
We the people can decide for ourselves on proper taxation. We dont need foreign entities like the Federal Reserve to do it for us.
You are happy with the system because it has enriched you financially. What people like you don't understand is some of us define wealth differently. That's something a Yankee like you will never understand. Your whole thought process perfectly excemptlifies the Evil Yankee Empire of the USA.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 5:23 am to crazy4lsu
"Lol. God you morons are so butthurt about the Civil War. Newsflash dumbass, the US had expansionist ambitions before the CW. Even the Confederacy had those ambitions."
That was your first response to the thread I started. It is filled with emotion towards a factual statement that was made by me. You really are a joke.
That was your first response to the thread I started. It is filled with emotion towards a factual statement that was made by me. You really are a joke.
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