re: O'Keefe uncovers voter fraud....20 times in NC

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What percentage of voter fraud is acceptable to you before it becomes "a problem"?

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None is acceptable....but nice try at making it seem like someone is accepting a criminal act.

When does it become a problem that would require any action? When there is any indication whatsoever that it may happen often enough to swing elections. By even the most optimistic estimates by anyone claiming that it is a problem they can't and haven't made this claim.

I tell you what...find a credible source that suggests that there is enough voter fraud in the United States to make a difference in the outcome of an election and you will have an immediate convert to the idea that voter fraud is a problem in the United States. For bonus points find a credible source who can make a creditable argument that voter fraud is a problem and ID laws will correct that problem and you will have a convert on that front also. Of course you won't be able to do either because logic and facts aren't on your side....again if all it was were identification IF a couple of hundred thousand people can be convinced to participate in a crime and keep it quite they would have no problem coming up with enough fake ids to make it happen....yall better start crying for DNA tests to vote....but again if that same couple of hundred thousand people can collude and not get caught a dna test would not stymie such creative thinking.

If what ya'll are claiming is true your fricked...you are dealing an evil genius the likes of which the world has never seen.....

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Eric Holder is right, it is a problem that does not exist....

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Odd he is deploying his forces into South Dakota over something he says doesn't exist. Is it in Vermillion or Wall or perhaps Kadoka that his minions will root out voter suppression and fraud?

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What percentage of voter fraud is acceptable to you before it becomes "a problem"?

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None is acceptable....but nice try at making it seem like someone is accepting a criminal act.

When does it become a problem that would require any action? When there is any indication whatsoever that it may happen often enough to swing elections. By even the most optimistic estimates by anyone claiming that it is a problem they can't and haven't made this claim.

I tell you what...find a credible source that suggests that there is enough voter fraud in the United States to make a difference in the outcome of an election and you will have an immediate convert to the idea that voter fraud is a problem in the United States. For bonus points find a credible source who can make a creditable argument that voter fraud is a problem and ID laws will correct that problem and you will have a convert on that front also. Of course you won't be able to do either because logic and facts aren't on your side....again if all it was were identification IF a couple of hundred thousand people can be convinced to participate in a crime and keep it quite they would have no problem coming up with enough fake ids to make it happen....yall better start crying for DNA tests to vote....but again if that same couple of hundred thousand people can collude and not get caught a dna test would not stymie such creative thinking.

If what ya'll are claiming is true your fricked...you are dealing an evil genius the likes of which the world has never seen.....

DO yall really think that it is possible to steal an election one person at a time? That is the only sort of fraud that an ID could stop. It won't stop ballot box stuffing or similar activity...Yall simply can't support the claim that id will cut down on voter fraud....the numbers aren't on your side, and you sound silly tyring to make that argument.

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you sound silly tyring to make that argument.

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You really think it's "silly" to think that a person should show ID to vote?

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None? And then you go on to imply that it's only a problem when it swings elections. You're an idiot.

Why is it so difficult for you to admit that O'Keefe uncovered a very simple to commit voter fraud? If "no voter fraud is acceptable" it seems to me you'd applaud the effort and encourage voting officials to close the loophole. In Germany an ID is required. Are Germans retarded?

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ANy illegal act is unacceptable....someone anally violating a cat is unacceptable....I don't think it happens often enough to be a problem however...

Again...I don't have a problem with having to have an id to vote...my problem is yall pretending to be for the idea because of fraud that happens so often as to be a problem. I wish to God that yall would simply admit,as at least one Republican did, that the effort is about limiting the number of people who vote and has nothing at all to do with preventing fraud because it simply wont do that....

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So you are for voter ID laws, yet think it makes it a little harder to cast a ballot.

I'm for voter ID laws, don't think it puts an undue burden on anybody, and can see that voter fraud could exist without it. The reason most countries require ID to vote is to check fraud. Is all of Europe silly too for thinking that requiring ID would inhibit fraud?

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I am not "for" voter ID laws...I simply do not have a problem with them if the electorate decides they want to enact one. I do think that all evidence would suggest that it would make voting slightly more difficult. I don't know how anyone can suggest otherwise.

Voter fraud will continue to exist with voter id laws. We have laws requiring id to partake in all sorts of activities that underaged kids find a way to take part in....voting will be no different.

I dont know why yall have to lie about your motivations for voter ID laws...the main thing they will do will make it harder to vote...only by a miniscule amount but that is all it will do. Anyone who wants to vote illegally will still be able to do so....why cant yall be honest???

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It's funny because the left has pretty much 100% argued that voter fraud is an insignificant issue because it basically rarely happens. As proof, they point to how infrequently voter fraud cases are caught. Of course, the right has pointed out that if you're not looking, you probably wont catch anyone so, ya really can't use the fact you didn't catch anyone as proof of much. Of course, the left denies the reality that no one is looking.

O'Keefe demonstrated that in fact, any schmo can get away with this because no one is really looking.

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No, what Okeefe demonstrated to anyone who isnt vested in the issue is that it would be impossible for a conspiracy to steal an election one vote at a time to be succesful.

The most famous case of supposed voter fraud that decided a presidential election was Illinois in 1960 where the difference between kennedy and nixon was a little over 7000 votes...which means that at least 350 people spread out across Illinois would have had to commit a crime without being detected for voter id laws to have had any effect. Do yall really think that is possible?? Without at least one of those 350 people getting caught or getting jealous of attention being paid to others in the conspiracy and spilling the beans??? I am stating unequivocally that this is absurd....it didnt happen then and has never happened....

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No, what Okeefe demonstrated to anyone who isnt vested in the issue is that it would be impossible for a conspiracy to steal an election one vote at a time to be succesful.

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Um, he demonstrated it's easy to vote fraudulently.

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which means that at least 350 people spread out across Illinois would have had to commit a crime without being detected for voter id laws to have had any effect. Do yall really think that is possible??

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You think it would be hard to come up with 350 people willing to do this? Odd.

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.it didnt happen then and has never happened...

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And of course, since you say so, we should just not even look for it. That way, we can ALWAYS say we have no evidence that it's ever happened.

How convenient.

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which means that at least 350 people spread out across Illinois would have had to commit a crime without being detected for voter id laws to have had any effect. Do yall really think that is possible??

You think it would be hard to come up with 350 people willing to do this? Odd.

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Yes, I think it would take a monumental effort to convince 350 people to commit a crime and not a single one of the get caught or spill the beans.

If you believe the story of voter fraud in Chicago in 1960, and I assume most of you do, then you should know that the perpetrators numbered less than 10 and they left so much evidence that it is pretty well established that it happened. Requiring a state issued ID would not have fixed the problem. Do you suggest that Chicago was stolen one ballot at a time and would have been stopped with an ID requirement???

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And of course, since you say so, we should just not even look for it. That way, we can ALWAYS say we have no evidence that it's ever happened.

How convenient.

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WHat would make you think I am suggesting we don't look for voter fraud???