re: Obamacare repeal will add 9 trillion to the debt

You left out: 20M people will lose health insurance, what insurance people can buy will not cover them in the event of a serious disease, and they will end up spending more on health care.

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but it doesn't have anything to do with the actual budget resolution that the GOP sold to you as an "Obamacare repeal."

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Oh I don't support the current repeal either.

I'm legit asking: how should one go about meeting the demands of putting "something else in place" for a plan that was designed to be unsustainable after 6 years anyway?

What magic math should the fixer use to fix the magic math that the creator used?

I want this crap repealed, but the way it was written and implemented was designed for no easy fix AND no easy continuation (should it have gone that way). Anyone who read it before they passed it knew this.

Now those who passed, all by themselves, get to sit back and criticize those who now have to fix it. It is hilarious to watch. There was also a reason why the worst of it was to hit AFTER Obama left office.

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Bush fricking up Clinton's surplus

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This is still wrong.

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Because that's not how the ACA was designed.

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Well, maybe not intentionally...

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Which plan is this? Because that's not how the ACA was designed.

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Oh is this the "what you read wasn't real" defense?

Well this troll thread was fun. I'm going to say 9 pages.

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Oh is this the "what you read wasn't real" defense?

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If that's reality, sure. The ACA was not designed to fail in 6 years, and is performing very well. That doesn't mean it's perfect or couldn't be tweaked, but it's not the imploding mess lies have led you to believe.

The national debt rose every single year under Clinton.

Every. Single. Year.

Clinton had no surplus. You buying into that bullshite because you don't understand math is your problem.

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That less than half the rate that Obama added to the national debt.

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January 2008 - Debt at $10.6 Trillion
Debt today - $20 Trillion
Difference $9.4 Trillion

Some of that $9.4 Trillion was done on Bush's watch as some of the debt on Trump's watch will be done on Obama's


But....$9 Trillion is not double $9.4 Trillion....


Is it too much? Who knows...what it categorically is not is conservatism and thank god for that....the conservative movement died the day Mitt Romney lost the 2012 election...and good riddance to bad rubbish....

The GDP for 2016 was about $19 Trillion. The debt was $19.4 Trillion. That would be akin to someone with an income of $100 K holding a mortgage of $102,000. Unless that person has some serious credit issues in the past there ain't a bank in the world who would rush to make that mortgage. Average income in the US is close to $60K and the average mortgage is $220K. For the nation as a whole to be in the same level of debt as the average home owner we would have a national debt of close to $80 trillion.


For those of you who are still conservatives here is the dirty little secret....the GOP only talked about the debt as being a bad thing because they could blame it all on democrats....that is not the case now my friend. Every red penny added to the debt is going to laid squarely at the feet of the GOP....and they, like the democrats, know that this country has no more business operating on a pay as you go basis than the average home owner does because it would cripple cash flow and destroy the economy.

When you compare the networth of the nation compared to that of individuals...even individuals who we all would agree are incredibly financially succesful...the United States as a whole makes them look like paupers.


This is one of the things about government that Donald Trump understands better than more than 99.9% of even very successful individuals....even more so than his peers, by all accounts....and that is finance and leverage and using debt as an asset and not a liability.

This is a huge reason why so many people in this country are employees and not employers....the thought of all that debt and all that risk intimidates them. It doesn't bother people with a risk takers mind-set like Donald Trump...and the enjoy the benefits of being more risk tolerant than their neighbors.

For the last 36 years y'all have been sold a bill of goods aimed at tapping into your wage slave mentality where debt is risk and risk is bad. In reality debt is opportunity and opportunity is the stuff that dreams are made of....opportunity is the thing that drives people from their relatively safe lives in third world shite holes to get to the United States or the UK or Europe and roll the dice and see what their point is....

Properly managed debt is the only way to get ahead and build wealth. Of course use it to buy TV's and the like and you will soon find yourself really bankrupt and not the creditor slapping kind of bankruptcy our president elect has filed a couple of 3 or so times....

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Why does fiscal policy not matter anymore? Why are you okay with adding $9 Trillion worth of debt, just to repeal ACA?

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Link to where I've said any of that.

Hint: I haven't, I just won't let you lie about Clinton.

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Are you that hard up for >20M people to lose their insurance?

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I'd prefer they didn't, but I'm not willing to continue paying for it to make that happen.