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re: Member when The Left wanted Obama to investigate Bush
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:20 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:20 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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And invading Iraq was SO opposite to US interests that it was treason or negligence beyond belief.
The resumption of military actions was the result of Iraq violating the cease fire agreement from Desert Storm. Violations that occurred on an almost daily basis for about 11 years. There was no need for Bush to do anything to resume "hot" military actions.
Bush was too accommodating imo.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:22 pm to therick711
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I believe those retards distilled it to, "Bush lied kids died."
Never got what the "lie" was.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:22 pm to Dale51
quote:Starting a war against an unarmed country with no evidence which caused the deaths of thousands of soldiers, millions of civilians, and destabilizing the region for decades to come. Also approved the use of torture and wire tapped US citizens illegally and signed an agreement with Iraq 2 weeks after McCain loses the election.
What were the accusations the left wanted investigated about Bush?
quote:He said that he would have won the election if he was running against Trump on a podcast.
What are the accusations the right wants investigated about Obama?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:24 pm to Joshjrn
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ETA: This board is probably 98% pseudo conservatives.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:26 pm to mmcgrath
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Starting a war against an unarmed country with no evidence which caused the deaths of thousands of soldiers, millions of civilians,
Millions of civilians??? Thats funny right there.
The resumption of a "hot" war was the result of Iraq violating the terms of the cease fire. Period. No other rationale was needed. Period.
You're rewriting established history ala the laughable ...and thankfully dead...hack Howard Zinn.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:27 pm to Dale51
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And invading Iraq was SO opposite to US interests that it was treason or negligence beyond belief.
The resumption of military actions was the result of Iraq violating the cease fire agreement from Desert Storm.
As I said, the Bushies sought UN approval for invading Iraq and did not receive it, making the invasion 'aggressive war' under the laws.
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
Ewen MacAskill and Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday 15 September 2004 21.28 EDT First published on Wednesday 15 September 2004 21.28 EDT
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."
He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
Mr Annan has until now kept a tactful silence and his intervention at this point undermines the argument pushed by Tony Blair that the war was legitimised by security council resolutions."
LINK
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:30 pm to Dale51
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The resumption of military actions was the result of Iraq violating the cease fire agreement from Desert Storm. Violations that occurred on an almost daily basis for about 11 years. There was no need for Bush to do anything to resume "hot" military actions.
Bush was too accommodating imo.
Correct. Hostilities could have resumed against as early as 8 days after the cease fire agreement because that is when the violations started.
Bush's problem was the American people didn't care that IRAQ was violating the terms, and he had to find a way to sell it to the American People.
WMD was that tool.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:33 pm to Loserman
quote:Of course no one cared. Why would we? He had no real army or anything and wasn't a threat.
Bush's problem was the American people didn't care that IRAQ was violating the terms, and he had to find a way to sell it to the American People.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:36 pm to WhiskeyPapa
The Nuremberg Trials:
What were the Crimes?
"§ Crimes against peace: “namely, planning, preparation, initiation, or waging a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing” (Calvocoressi 30)…"
LINK
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz - many others, committed the same type of war crimes for which many Nazis were hanged.
What were the Crimes?
"§ Crimes against peace: “namely, planning, preparation, initiation, or waging a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing” (Calvocoressi 30)…"
LINK
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz - many others, committed the same type of war crimes for which many Nazis were hanged.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:37 pm to Joshjrn
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Both are counterproductive witch hunts.
What are you basing that on?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:40 pm to Loserman
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WMD was that tool.
In part. WMDs was one issue stated in the AUMF. People seem to focus on that for some reason.
I see it as a bit of a parallel to todays "The Russians hacked the election". It's a meme meant to deflect imo.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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you have turned into a bill-maher esque "libertarian". Truly a horrendous sight to see.
And you've turned into nothing more than a simple, Trump jizz-chugging shill/lemming so save the outrage.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:41 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Criminal Complaint Filed Against Bush Era Torture Architects
Bush, Rumsfield, Tenet, and Cheney
By Staff, www.ecchr.de
December 21st, 2014
Former president George W. Bush, former CIA director George Tenet, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former Vice President Dick Cheney are all named in Human Rights Watch’s new report. By BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/GETTY; ALEX WONG/GETTY; ELISA MILLER FOR NEWS; MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY
The German Federal Prosecutor must investigate former CIA Director Tenet, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and others – and should not wait until they are on German soil
17 December 2014 – The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) has lodged criminal complaints against former CIA head George Tenet, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other members of the administration of former US President George W. Bush. The ECCHR is accusing Tenet, Rumsfeld and a series of other persons of the war crime of torture under paragraph 8 section 1(3) of the German Code of Crimes against International Law (Völkerstrafgesetzbuch).
The constituent elements of the crime of torture were most recently established in the case by the US Senate in its report on CIA interrogation methods. “The architects of the torture system – politicians, officials, secret service agents, lawyers and senior army officials – should be brought before the courts,” says ECCHR General Secretary Wolfgang Kaleck, who is appearing today in connection with the issue in front of the German Parliamentary Committee on legal affairs. “By investigating members of the Bush administration, Germany can help to ensure that those responsible for abduction, abuse and illegal detention do not go unpunished.”
The US Senate report devotes one section explicitly to the case of German citizen Khaled El Masri, who was abducted by CIA agents in 2004 due to a case of mistaken identity and was tortured in a secret detention center in Afghanistan. The criminal complaint details the US Senate report’s finding that once the unlawful error was discovered, the former CIA director refused to take further steps against those responsible."
LINK
There are thousands of fine young Americans in their graves because of these sorry fricks. It did happen, and not so long ago.
Bush, Rumsfield, Tenet, and Cheney
By Staff, www.ecchr.de
December 21st, 2014
Former president George W. Bush, former CIA director George Tenet, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former Vice President Dick Cheney are all named in Human Rights Watch’s new report. By BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/GETTY; ALEX WONG/GETTY; ELISA MILLER FOR NEWS; MANDEL NGAN/AFP/GETTY
The German Federal Prosecutor must investigate former CIA Director Tenet, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and others – and should not wait until they are on German soil
17 December 2014 – The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) has lodged criminal complaints against former CIA head George Tenet, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other members of the administration of former US President George W. Bush. The ECCHR is accusing Tenet, Rumsfeld and a series of other persons of the war crime of torture under paragraph 8 section 1(3) of the German Code of Crimes against International Law (Völkerstrafgesetzbuch).
The constituent elements of the crime of torture were most recently established in the case by the US Senate in its report on CIA interrogation methods. “The architects of the torture system – politicians, officials, secret service agents, lawyers and senior army officials – should be brought before the courts,” says ECCHR General Secretary Wolfgang Kaleck, who is appearing today in connection with the issue in front of the German Parliamentary Committee on legal affairs. “By investigating members of the Bush administration, Germany can help to ensure that those responsible for abduction, abuse and illegal detention do not go unpunished.”
The US Senate report devotes one section explicitly to the case of German citizen Khaled El Masri, who was abducted by CIA agents in 2004 due to a case of mistaken identity and was tortured in a secret detention center in Afghanistan. The criminal complaint details the US Senate report’s finding that once the unlawful error was discovered, the former CIA director refused to take further steps against those responsible."
LINK
There are thousands of fine young Americans in their graves because of these sorry fricks. It did happen, and not so long ago.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:43 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Thats funny right there.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:44 pm to Dale51
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WMD was that tool.
In part. WMDs was one issue stated in the AUMF. People seem to focus on that for some reason.
Congress was derelict in its duties as well. The reason Clinton didn't run in 2004 because of the disaster brought onto this country enabled by the AUMF. She voted for it.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:46 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Congress was derelict in its duties as well. The reason Clinton didn't run in 2004 because of the disaster brought onto this country enabled by the AUMF. She voted for it.
That shouldn't have made any difference. Every dem voted for it..so..
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:48 pm to WhiskeyPapa
A Bush Insider Cites War Crimes Against His President, VP
BY ROGER ARMBRUST MAY 30 2014
This week, George W. Bush’s former chief counterterrorism officer accused the once-was president and his administration of committing war crimes. Could it lead to some type of legal action? We’ll see.
Richard Clarke–who served a brief stint as Bush’s national coordinator for security and counterterrorism—perked up Amy Goodman’s ears in a Tuesday television interview on Democracy Now! The show’s host, Goodman asked Clarke if he thought Bush, former VP Dick Cheney, and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes via attacking Iraq.
I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes. Whether that would be productive or not, I think, is a discussion we could all have. But we have established procedures now with the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where people who take actions as serving presidents or prime ministers of countries have been indicted and have been tried. So the precedent is there to do that sort of thing. And I think we need to ask ourselves whether or not it would be useful to do that in the case of members of the Bush administration. It’s clear that things that the Bush administration did — in my mind, at least, it’s clear that some of the things they did were war crimes."
LINK
BY ROGER ARMBRUST MAY 30 2014
This week, George W. Bush’s former chief counterterrorism officer accused the once-was president and his administration of committing war crimes. Could it lead to some type of legal action? We’ll see.
Richard Clarke–who served a brief stint as Bush’s national coordinator for security and counterterrorism—perked up Amy Goodman’s ears in a Tuesday television interview on Democracy Now! The show’s host, Goodman asked Clarke if he thought Bush, former VP Dick Cheney, and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes via attacking Iraq.
I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes. Whether that would be productive or not, I think, is a discussion we could all have. But we have established procedures now with the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where people who take actions as serving presidents or prime ministers of countries have been indicted and have been tried. So the precedent is there to do that sort of thing. And I think we need to ask ourselves whether or not it would be useful to do that in the case of members of the Bush administration. It’s clear that things that the Bush administration did — in my mind, at least, it’s clear that some of the things they did were war crimes."
LINK
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:50 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Do you get tired of being such an old douchebag?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 7:56 pm to OBReb6
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Do you get tired of being such an old douchebag?
I am kinda sorta against my country committing war crimes, adopting the strategic interests of another country (Israel) and lying about the whole thing.
I know it is "neener neener, can't hear, can't hear!", for people like you. Not very attractive.
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