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re: Medicine Isn't A Science. Practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease

Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:05 pm to
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That doesn't prove it. They could be infected by spraying but then spread by other means like shite eating.


What does this even mean? Can you expound on this

Infected by spraying what?
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:05 pm to
Tldr no proof
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:11 pm to
Who knows? Maybe it was TB.

I think WW1 and many other things proved pretty well you could get sick from airborn sprays. Why don't we prove you can get sick from a cough? See if you can or you can't. That's the issue.

They received a lung infection like a WW1 soldier and then somehow it spread. Since they are dirty vermin who live in shite and don't practice sanitation we most certainly cannot say it was from the coughing.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:13 pm to
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I think WW1 and many other things proved pretty well you could get sick from airborn sprays.


Lol. And why do you spell airborne like that?
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:13 pm to
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Gaggle
Just shut up. You're making other chiropractors look bad.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:14 pm to
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Who knows? Maybe it was TB.


Exactly. You don’t know shite and you can’t give us a good reason why the experiment doesn’t prove the hypothesis.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:15 pm to
Very basic logical problems with your stupid one single proof when you know there should be loads more and on humans anyways. You can't handle it. You are so fragile and unscientific
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:16 pm to
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Very basic logical problems with your stupid one single proof when you know there should be loads more and on humans anyways.


Very Mengele of you.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:18 pm to
So there was a time and place of no ethics. So logically there should have been lots of studies.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15298 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:18 pm to
you believe in flat earth theory too yah?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:19 pm to
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when you know there should be loads more and on humans anyways.


Why should we continue to infect healthy humans with deadly pathogens?

We have observational studies
We have human/animal models that confirm the hypothesis

Yet you want us to keep infecting healthy humans with disease because 0.001% of the population like you think that you can’t get sick from a cough or a sneeze
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:21 pm to
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Why should we continue to infect healthy humans with deadly pathogens?
Continue? It isn't done. Where is it?
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Yet you want us to keep infecting healthy humans with disease because 0.001% of the population like you think that you can’t get sick from a cough or a sneeze
No I want you to attempt it once ever and face the dearth of these studies and how it makes no sense.

Where's the covid ones? Millions of people would volunteer. It makes no logical sense for this to be unethical with the myriad other volunteer studies. And considering how much is at stake in a pandemic and what could be learned. It's protectionism. They don't want it done.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 10:27 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:34 pm to
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So there was a time and place of no ethics. So logically there should have been lots of studies.


So you would accept a study that had less standardization, was less robust from a statistical and sampling perspective (and overall), and more harmful to actual human beings than studies that are more robust in mammalian species who have extremely similar molecular physiologies to humans?

In addition, it isn't like tuberculosis doesn't affect other species either, including near-human primates.

And the study that I did post which suggested that the sputum samples infected people in a pattern exactly like a virus would doesn't meet your standards because in 1918 they hadn't yet isolated the exact influenza virus, but subsequent sampling has proven to be the same H1N1 strain responsible for other epidemics and pandemics and that still doesn't suffice.

It honestly just seems like you want terrain theory or whatever to be true, and you'll find something wrong with every experiment, including robust tracing studies during infectious disease outbreaks, where sampling showed the exact same strain affecting a number of disparate people who had brief interactions with one another. The chances that every confirmed measles case in Ireland in 2016 or 2017 would be of the same exact serotype that had never before been documented in Ireland could be due to some 'terrain' causes beggars belief. The specific aspect that you seem to disagree with is the relationship between 'pathogen load' and infection, but like I've explained before, that is mediated by mucosal immunity, so the relationship through literal airborne transmission, such as TB and measles (with the latter having features that directly affects mucosal response) and droplet transmission, can't be quantified discretely enough to satisfy you.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:35 pm to
K. No proof.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:35 pm to
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you believe in flat earth theory too yah?



He does, as well as gravity denialism. At the same time, he appreciates the repeatability of physics, and he says that without any irony.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:35 pm to
Yeah of course, it's way above your paygrade.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:36 pm to
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At the same time, he appreciates the repeatability of physics, and he says that without any irony.
Explain why you think there's irony.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:37 pm to
There was nothing difficult in understanding it, it's your difficulty in recognizing bias-confirming junk science and lack of proof under easy conditions. This is exactly what I spoke of earlier. You are a caricature.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:38 pm to
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Explain why you think there's irony.



Lol. Think it through.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:38 pm to
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Lol. Think it through.
I've long done that. I know why you are stupid. I want to see you try to explain it.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 10:39 pm
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