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Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:30 pm to Apollyon
Sodomites don’t read Scripture because, well those of us who do read it... know.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:30 pm to AggieHank86
Logically, one may assume Joseph would be well known in Nazareth. It would be known that he had a wife and newborn son. It would be known that he was "of the house and line of David". The city of David is Bethlehem. It would be known that the lineage of David would go to Bethlehem for census registration. Therefore, Even in Nazareth (though not under Herodian jurisdiction), Christ's earthly family could not be safe from Herod's spies or assassins.
Thus the angel instructing them to flee to Egypt "For Herod shall search for the babe and kill him" (2nd Chapter, Gospel of St. Matthew)
Fleeing to Egypt ensures that you go where you are unknown. That's the point.
Thus the angel instructing them to flee to Egypt "For Herod shall search for the babe and kill him" (2nd Chapter, Gospel of St. Matthew)
Fleeing to Egypt ensures that you go where you are unknown. That's the point.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:39 pm to The Maj
Yes.
"Out of Egypt, I called my son."
And also
"And thus fulfilled what was spoken of the prophets, that he shall be called a Nazarene"
I also included some secular logic for aggiehank86 as well.
It all makes perfect sense, people just need to read the Bible in its entirety and cross reference OT with NT passages for context.
"Out of Egypt, I called my son."
And also
"And thus fulfilled what was spoken of the prophets, that he shall be called a Nazarene"
I also included some secular logic for aggiehank86 as well.
It all makes perfect sense, people just need to read the Bible in its entirety and cross reference OT with NT passages for context.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:51 pm to The Maj
quote:Indeed.
It actually fulfilled prophecy concerning the Messiah...
But that gives rise to the chicken/egg conundrum. Was Matthew retconned to fulfill prophesy?
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:54 pm to AggieHank86
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But that gives rise to the chicken/egg conundrum.
What? No.
Hosea 11:1.
Please read before continuing this discussion. You are flailing around here.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:55 pm to AggieHank86
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Was Matthew retconned to fulfill prophesy?
And this is blasphemy, so there's that....
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Did Jesus actually say that? Serious question.
Matthew 19. One man, one woman, for life.
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He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:27 pm to CarRamrod
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he was going to pay taxes for gods sake..... poor people dont pay taxes.
They were there for the Census.
Might really have been poor based on Luke 2. Or at least OT poor....
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22 [ac]When the days were completed for their purification[ad] according to the law of Moses, they took him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord, 23 just as it is written in the law of the Lord, “Every male that opens the womb shall be consecrated to the Lord,” 24 and to offer the sacrifice of “a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons,” in accordance with the dictate in the law of the Lord.
The sacrifice was the one prescribed in Leviticus 12
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8 And if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two pigeons,[a] one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. And the priest shall make atonement for her, and she shall be clean.”
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:43 pm to AggieHank86
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Why did he mention poverty, when Joseph was likely a reasonably comfortable member of the working class?
Because he let his wife give birth in a barn?
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Jesus, Joseph and Mary were not “citizens” of anything, though they were “subjects” of King Herod and in the land in which Jesus was born.
Why say that Jesus was born a refugee, when the family did not flee to Egypt until some time after the birth?
Because anybody not wanting to live under a monarchy might as well have been considered a refugee.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:48 pm to 0
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Because he let his wife give birth in a barn?
They had enough money for a room. There just weren't any available.
Plus it's not like they had hospitals with neonatal units back then.
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