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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:58 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:58 pm to DawgfaninCa
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However, in this case the police reasonable suspected that the father might have been the person who was violent in the domestic dispute and therefore could be violent towards them.
What was reasonable about suspecting the father? Since you know so much about the inner workings of this case.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Like cops and game wardens jumping one guy and killing him?
No. Those cops used reasonable and necessary force to subdue someone (a large man) who they suspected had just been violent during a domestic dispute.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:00 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Those cops used reasonable and necessary force to subdue someone
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What was reasonable about suspecting the father? Since you know so much about the inner workings of this case.
If was reasonable for the police to suspect the father because they weren't told who hit who and in most domestic disputes that are physically violent it is the man who hits the women.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:04 pm to DawgfaninCa
Your comment illustrates why we have a jury system. You can always find one idiot on a message board who will suggest that 3 cops and 2 game wardens jumping on a motionless, facedown citizen is "justified" but you no way would a jury reach such an absurd conclusion, especially a civil jury.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:07 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If was reasonable for the police to suspect the father because they weren't told who hit who and in most domestic disputes that are physically violent it is the man who hits the women.
Making shitty assumptions isn't solid police work. Maybe they should have talked to the cooperative witnesses instead of keying on the innocent person.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
Your definition of reasonable and necessary are warped.
They had the wrong guy.
They had the wrong guy.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Making shitty assumptions isn't solid police work. Maybe they should have talked to the cooperative witnesses instead of keying on the innocent person.
You don't know what you are talking about.
On arriving at the scene of a reported violent crime, the police should immediately restrain the person they suspect is the one responsible for the violence.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your definition of reasonable and necessary are warped.
They had the wrong guy.
That doesn't mean their actions weren't reasonable and necessary.
If the man had fully cooperated with the police he would have had the opportunity to explain to the police that it was his wife who hit her daughter and he would have been let go and still be alive.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
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On arriving at the scene of a reported violent crime, the police should immediately restrain the person they suspect is the one responsible for the violence.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
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On arriving at the scene of a reported violent crime, the police should immediately restrain the person they suspect is the one responsible for the violence.
they were already on scene for something else..fail 1
it was outside a theater that let out, you want them to attack anyone who is a large male....fail 2
the game warden was actually told according to the police statement that they KNEW the father want involved....fail 3
and you're out boot licker
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
The officer had already been informed that the wife had struck the daughter.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:16 pm to DawgfaninCa
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So you don't think girls can seriously injure a police officer?
No, not when they're handcuffed and sitting on the curb.
[Now I KNOW you're trolling]
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:16 pm to NC_Tigah
is there more than one video?
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Do you know what a video is? Do you know what video refers to in this case? Have you watched the video?
I watched the one video in OP
Do you see the portion where 5 cops are on top of the deceased?
I see 5 cops huddled over him with knees on legs and arm and only 2-3 with a knee on his throax
Do you ever, in the entire video, see any evidence of consciousness on the part of the dead man?
yes his arm when being extended to be placed behind his back is clearly tensed.
Do you see the cops trying to prop him up after they've likely killed him?
No
You see them sticking their legs behind him to keep him from flopping lifelessly to the pavement?
No
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:16 pm to DawgfaninCa
I bet you support the cops in LA who opened fire on any vehicle they thought looked like the cop killer's car.
I mean it is reasonable to suspect that the guy was driving the car. No harm, no foul.
I mean it is reasonable to suspect that the guy was driving the car. No harm, no foul.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:18 pm to tdg
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Your comment illustrates why we have a jury system. You can always find one idiot on a message board who will suggest that 3 cops and 2 game wardens jumping on a motionless, facedown citizen is "justified" but you no way would a jury reach such an absurd conclusion, especially a civil jury.
If the jury is unbiased and gives the evidence the proper legal weight it deserves then they would have no choice but to reach the conclusion that it was "justified", "reasonable" and "necessary".
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:And here is another person who holds cops to lower standards than he does the commoners.
If the man had fully cooperated with the police he would have had the opportunity to explain to the police that it was his wife who hit her daughter and he would have been let go and still be alive.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:18 pm to Bleeding purple
Yes. The woman's attorney released a brief 50 something second version. However, the full video is 6 minutes long. Some have seen it but idk where it is or who released it.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If the man had fully cooperated with the police he would have had the opportunity to explain to the police that it was his wife who hit her daughter and he would have been let go and still be alive.
Why didn't they just assume he was innocent?
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