re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

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Oh, yeah, God forbid a cop get a bloody nose... ...right?

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Why should a cop be required to give someone the opportunity to give them a bloody nose?

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The police officers weren't subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person. They were subduing a large man who was resisting them.

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You are entitled to your own opinion. You are NOT entitled to your own facts. The only facts known are that the deceased did not hit the 19y/o which was cause of the police presence, and those facts established by the video.

The video makes it apparent the police officers were in fact subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person. As far as I can tell, there is no point at which the dead man so much as flinches, much less moves purposefully.

Did you see anything different?

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I've been arrested and locked up for days in general population when I was innocent of the charges but I was a man and fully cooperated with the police when they arrested me.

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I was cooperative. I didn't cause anyone any trouble. But what I saw in there was sobering.

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Grow some balls and stop acting like a whiny bitch.

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You obviously didn't do your time in OPP.

...and talk about being a whiny bitch, those cops were afraid an unarmed man might "injure" one of them? ...so they killed him? What was one man going to do against 5 cops?

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The only facts known are that the deceased did not hit the 19y/o which was cause of the police presence, and those facts established by the video.

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Another fact is the police went to the scene because someone called them and told them that a domestic dispute had occurred but the person did not tell the police who caused the domestic dispute. Therefore, when the police arrived on the scene they wanted to talk to the father because they suspected he may have been the cause of the dispute which is a reasonable assumption on the part of the police. When the man who by the way was large refused to show his ID the police attempted to detain him using reasonable physical force.

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The video makes it apparent the police officers were in fact subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person. As far as I can tell, there is no point at which the dead man so much as flinches, much less moves purposefully.

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Are you claiming the man was limp, lifeless, motionless and unconscious when the police first attempted to use physical force to detain him?

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Another fact is the police went to the scene because someone called them and told them that a domestic dispute had occurred but the person did not tell the police who caused the domestic dispute. Therefore, when the police arrived on the scene they wanted to talk to the father because they suspected he may have been the cause of the dispute which is a reasonable assumption on the part of the police. When the man who by the way was large refused to show his ID they police attempted to detain him using reasonable physical force.

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People aren't robots. You have an emotional man who's upset because his wife and daughter are arguing and he's being targeted.

Cops should be trained to handle those kind of situations without violence. They aren't. They are trained to prevent violence with violence at almost any cost.

I feel for the guy, he had a right to be upset. The world wouldn't have ended if the cops let the guy walk and talked to the other two parties.

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Don't lay that bullshite on me.

I've been arrested and locked up for days in general population when I was innocent of the charges but I was a man and fully cooperated with the police when they arrested me.

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Wait!


You post that, and followed with this?

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Grow some balls and stop acting like a whiny bitch.

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Fellow, unless there is another substantial chapter to that story, you and I define "Growing some balls" verrrry differently.

I can guarantee from this end, given that scenario, it is a story that would not end well for the PoPo or others involved.

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So you would be ok during a traffic stop for cops to force you out of the car, throw you to the ground and hog tie you so they can get your personal info without the danger of getting a bloody nose?

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Stop making up an absurd scenario in a feeble attempt to prove your point of view is correct.

If the police stopped me during a traffic stop I would get my driver's license out and immediately show it to them because I know they are going to want to see it.

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Fellow, unless there is another substantial chapter to that story, you and I define "Growing some balls" verrrry differently.

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In this case, growing some balls means stop acting like a little girl who has a male authority complex.

is there more than one video in this thread?

Specifically is there any more video of the fight or the actions prior to the last few minutes of this guys life?

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Another fact is the police went to the scene because someone called them and told them that a domestic dispute had occurred but the person did not tell the police

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That is assertion, not fact.

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When the man who by the way was large refused to show his ID the police attempted to detain him using reasonable physical force.

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That is assertion, not fact.

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Are you claiming the man was limp, lifeless, motionless and unconscious when the police first attempted to use physical force to detain him?

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Do you know what a video is?
Do you know what video refers to in this case?
Have you watched the video?

Do you see the portion where 5 cops are on top of the deceased?
Do you ever, in the entire video, see any evidence of consciousness on the part of the dead man?

Do you see the cops trying to prop him up after they've likely killed him? You see them sticking their legs behind him to keep him from flopping lifelessly to the pavement?

¿Comprende?