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Major national med school test changes from a score to pass/fail
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:29 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:29 am
Pathetic
“These new policies strengthen the integrity of the USMLE and address concerns about Step 1 scores impacting student well-being and medical education,” said Humayun Chaudhry, DO, MACP, President and CEO of the FSMB.
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“These new policies strengthen the integrity of the USMLE and address concerns about Step 1 scores impacting student well-being and medical education,” said Humayun Chaudhry, DO, MACP, President and CEO of the FSMB.
LINK
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:31 am to tigerskin
I'm not seeing where they discuss the patient; I must have missed it
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:33 am to tigerskin
Why am I picturing those commercials of “Just good isn’t good enough.”, with the doc who just got his license reinstated or the skydiving instructor doing his first jump?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:33 am to tigerskin
This is awful.
Weird even.
Weird even.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:34 am to Wtodd
step 1 had turned into this monster that made the first 2 years almost irrelevant.
peruse any med student forum and youll see M1 and M2s wishing they didnt have any classes to study for and could just dedicate time to studying specifically for step 1 using specific step 1 materials.
a lot said their classes were a waste of time and theyd be better served if their first 2 years just used step 1 material.
not saying its right or wrong but thats the logic in this.
I don't know what theyre going to use to differentiate students for residencies now, though, other than extracurriculars and gpa.
peruse any med student forum and youll see M1 and M2s wishing they didnt have any classes to study for and could just dedicate time to studying specifically for step 1 using specific step 1 materials.
a lot said their classes were a waste of time and theyd be better served if their first 2 years just used step 1 material.
not saying its right or wrong but thats the logic in this.
I don't know what theyre going to use to differentiate students for residencies now, though, other than extracurriculars and gpa.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:35 am to tigerskin
The dean at our medical school told us this news last week before it broke. Apparently FSMB and NBME disliked the weight residency programs were putting on Step 1 scores. I imagine that since Step 2 CK and CS will still be scored, residency programs might look at that more closely, but I honestly don't know.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:36 am to crazy4lsu
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Apparently FSMB and NBME disliked the weight residency programs were putting on Step 1 scores
basically this. step 1 was all residencies were paying attention to. the step 1 score was what determined what you could do. everything hinged on it
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:38 am to Tiguar
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I don't know what theyre going to use to differentiate students for residencies now, though, other than extracurriculars and gpa.
I'm sort of thankful I'm taking it in 2021.
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peruse any med student forum and youll see M1 and M2s wishing they didnt have any classes to study for and could just dedicate time to studying specifically for step 1 using specific step 1 materials.
Pretty much the main complaint.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:39 am to crazy4lsu
I've been thinking about quitting everything and going to med school, so in my research I found all this stuff.
I'm glad theyre doing it, too, in the event I decide to do this, even though I just wanna do primary care
I'm glad theyre doing it, too, in the event I decide to do this, even though I just wanna do primary care
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:42 am to Tiguar
I was on residency selection committee of highly selective residency for 10 years. Yes, you shouldn’t put all of the weight on step1 or step2 scores but it was helpful. You also need some way of narrowing down applications from 1000 to 100. I also liked candidates that made big jumps from step 1 to step 2 scores.
Grades don’t tell you a whole lot when everyone has good grades and it is impossible to differentiate one school from another.
Grades don’t tell you a whole lot when everyone has good grades and it is impossible to differentiate one school from another.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:44 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:43 am to tigerskin
Let's call it what it is.
Dumbed down in the name of diversity.
Dumbed down in the name of diversity.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:43 am to tigerskin
Part of the gauntlet that is medical school ... people who are smarter can pass their classes and do well on the USMLE. This is all about trying to give what medical schools call “URMs” a boost in the match. Complete BS.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:43 am to crazy4lsu
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I'm sort of thankful I'm taking it in 2021.
You're going to be a MD? I figured you were working being the first walking human library.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:45 am to Tiguar
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I've been thinking about quitting everything and going to med school, so in my research I found all this stuff.
I was an older applicant and went back to medical school after working for a while, and I don't feel med school is all that kind to post-28 year olds. You can most definitely get it, but the entire experience is geared to what are essentially kids. I think the entire reason I got interviews was because I was applying to Ph.D programs at the schools simultaneously, and I had a fairly long publication record despite being essentially a layperson.
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I'm glad theyre doing it, too, in the event I decide to do this, even though I just wanna do primary care
Being older makes primary care more likely, as the time requirements for some specialties is too long, but I've enjoyed my mandatory mini-rotations with primary care docs in the area. If you are a people person, I can see it being rewarding in its own way.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:48 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Let's call it what it is.
Dumbed down in the name of diversity.
Is that the case though? I get the impression this is a part of the licensing process for med students, not actual class work.
I could be in favor of making something like that pass/fail, not graded. Neither the FE nor PE exams are graded, they are both pass fail.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:49 am to crazy4lsu
I’m a clinical pharmacist who works side by side with docs. Lots of clinical hours and I have multiple physicians who said they’d write me letters. I’d probably have a slightly easier time than your standard non-traditional student; the part that worries me is infact the first two years. Re-taking all those biochem and physiology classes gives me heartburn
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:50 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:49 am to Centinel
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You're going to be a MD?
Pursuing a M.D./Ph.D. with a focus on population genetics, though I want to work specifically in archeogenetics, but I couldn't find an adviser at a school that also had a medical school.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:51 am to crazy4lsu
Ok. I revise my statement. You want to be the first Mentat.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:51 am to Tiguar
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I’m a clinical pharmacist who works side by side with docs. Lots of clinical hours and I have multiple physicians who said they’d write me letters. I’d probably have a slightly easier time than your standard non-traditional student; the part that worries me is intact the first two years. Re-taking all those biochem and physiology classes gives me heartburn
The curriculum varies so much from school to school that I wonder if you got matched with the right school, they wouldn't let you test out of some courses provided some sort of stipulation. The basic science stuff we had to do in our first semester was painfully easy, but I ascribed that to being a grown person who didn't need incentive to be prepared.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:53 am to crazy4lsu
I've been looking at some 3 year accelerated programs, those are very attractive. That's all I've seen as far as skipping anything, though. It's unfortunate but the system is designed to make you "pay your dues".
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