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re: Life w/o parole for 2.4 lbs. of weed + 104 years for 30g of cocaine: welcome to Alabama

Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:21 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:21 pm to
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no victim market


Well, that's not entirely true.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:21 pm to
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Yea, addicts never do anything to the innocent.


Has nothin to do with the drug or market.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:22 pm to
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“Why is the pimp or the medical quack any more ‘heroic,’ and therefore in a sense more moral, than other, more respectable producers: the grocers, clothiers, steel manufacturers, etc.? The explanation is precisely wrapped up in the extreme lack of respectability of [such] scapegoats. For the grocer, the steel producer, and the others are generally allowed to go about their business unmolested, and indeed earn respect and prestige from the fellow members of the community. Not so these scapegoats; for not only are their economic services unrecognized, but they face the universal bile, scorn, and wrath of virtually every member of society, plus the additional restrictions and prohibitions that governments have almost universally placed upon their activities. Scorned and condemned unmercifully by society and state alike, social outcasts and state-proclaimed outlaws, [these] collection of scapegoats go about their business nevertheless; heroically proceeding to confer their economic services in the teeth of universal scorn and outlawry. They are heroes indeed, made so by their unjust treatment at the hands of society and of the state apparatus. “Heroes yes, but not necessarily saints. When [a person] confers the moral stature of hero on the scab, the usurer, the pimp, and so on, he does not mean to imply that these activities are intrinsically more moral than any other. In a free market, and in a society that treats the usurer, slumlord, and sweat shop employer in precisely the same just way as it treats other occupations, they would no longer be heroes, and they would certainly be no more moral than anyone else. Their heroic status..is solely a function of the unjust restrictions that other men have been placing upon them. It is the happy paradox… that if… the men and women [who engage in such black market activity] are no longer treated to scorn and legal coercion, then and only then will they no longer be heroes. If you don’t like the idea of a usurer or a slumlord being a hero, then the only way to deprive him of this stature is to remove the shackles that misguided people have placed upon him.”
Rothbard
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
158013 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:22 pm to
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t's a voluntary, no victim market.


I'm down. No public money for rehab or related health costs though. Agreed.

Otherwise, I'm not for legalization.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:22 pm to
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Any better examples of felonies people are doing everyday?


Off the top of my head no, this was one that came to mind.

Before you laugh too much it should be noted that the penalties listed are per incident.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:23 pm to
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Well, that's not entirely true.


Who's the c
Victim in the transaction? It's voluntary.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:24 pm to
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I'm down. No public money for rehab or related health costs though. Agreed.


Absolutely
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:24 pm to
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It's voluntary.


That's meaningless.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:24 pm to
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Yea, addicts never do anything to the innocent.


To be fair you could make the same arguments for alcoholics.

Time to shut down those evil craft breweries we both love?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Otherwise, I'm not for legalization.


The way I am hearing you, you're basically saying that the only way to treat these people is in prison. Correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:26 pm to
Buying and selling and using cocaine and heroin are victimless crimes. Voluntary transactions in a free market. Not surprising that the nationalistic socialists that make up the right wing here would despise such interactions. They either must impose their religion on such a deal or a collect a tariff. They truly hate freedom.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:26 pm to
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That's meaningless.


That's just your wrong opinion
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Has nothin to do with the drug or market.

Sure.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89137 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to
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To be fair you could make the same arguments for alcoholics.


Did I say alcoholism was victimless?


ETA: And nice to see you sneak back into the thread.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to
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That's just your wrong opinion


No, it isn't.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23152 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to
frick him.

He knew he was breaking the law.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:27 pm to
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Sure


Who's the victim?
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11109 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:28 pm to
It would be cheaper to put the guy on food stamps, welfare, medicaid and give him subsidized housing that putting him in jail for the rest of his life.

It would be even cheaper to send him to drug treatment, job counseling and training, and mental health treatment than to put him in jail for the rest of his life.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89137 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:28 pm to
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They either must impose their religion on such a deal or a collect a tariff. They truly hate freedom.



You think legalization would mean no tax on the drugs?


Can I buy drugs from you?
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 3:29 pm to
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cops are just out to violently interact with the public.
Well their job is to collect revenue through force. They have quotas. It is literally their job. Cops and tax collectors are worse than thieves.
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But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a “protector,” and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful “sovereign,” on account of the “protection” he affords you. He does not keep “protecting” you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.
Spooner
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