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Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:19 pm to Jbird
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Who said the guy was good?
"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair"
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:22 pm to Pecker
quote:Except this isn't how it's going to happen.
In the same way, I expect the republicans to attempt at every turn to impeach the next democratic president. We can get as ugly and petty as necessary until the threat of MAD ensures that both sides tone things down for the sake of the American people.
To not go this route is why Romney got destroyed for being a racist, misogynist, crooked business man. Sound familiar?
The vast majority of the Right simply behaves different than the vast majority of the Left when it comes to morals, ethics, and etiquette. And they do that because they are not consumed with hate and vengeance like most of the Left is. And they are much less willing to throw away principles like honesty, integrity, and fairness just to reach goals, unlike most of the Left.
Behavior, feelings, and principles are three of the biggest things that rationalize why people end up on the Left or the Right.
The Left is very much a "by any means necessary" mentality, while the Right simply isn't.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:22 pm to cahoots
Ah I see well frick you got heem!
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:23 pm to cahoots
My guess is that Shokin is corrupt and Burisma is corrupt. What isn't being mentioned much is that Burisma paid a fine to end the investigation during Shokin's tenure. This suggests that both sides are corrupt. But that happened before Shokin was removed.
So how do explain the "Shokin is good" angle?
So how do explain the "Shokin is good" angle?
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:26 pm to BeefDawg
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Behavior, feelings, and principles are three of the biggest things that rationalize why people end up on the Left or the Right.
The Left is very much a "by any means necessary" mentality, while the Right simply isn't.
I would love to see any backing of this.
All of the data show that emotional intelligence, empathy, and reasoning skills correlate with left-leaning views, which seems to be antithetical to your assertion here.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:30 pm to cahoots
quote:You realize after he was fired, the Ukraine Justice Department tried like hell to get evidence of Burisma and Hunter Biden's wrongdoings to the US Justice Department, right?
Everything points to that prosecutor being corrupt. He was viewed as corrupt by the people of Ukraine, his own deputy who resigned, the US, and the international community. Even Republicans thought he was corrupt......until now
Isn't it funny how he became a "good prosecutor" right when he needed to be?
But that too was stymied by Uncle Joe + Obama appointed Ambassador + Obama's DOJ + Obama's State Department.
So how is extorting Ukraine for a billion and actively preventing evidence submission not a big deal for you?
That was rhetorical. We know it's because you're biased as frick and choosing to ignore the facts to suit you.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:32 pm to BeefDawg
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You realize after he was fired, the Ukraine Justice Department tried like hell to get evidence of Burisma and Hunter Biden's wrongdoings to the US Justice Department, right?
Link?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:33 pm to Strophie
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All of the data show that emotional intelligence, empathy, and reasoning skills are completely absent from the Modern Progressive Movement.
FIFY
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:36 pm to BeefDawg
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You realize after he was fired, the Ukraine Justice Department tried like hell to get evidence of Burisma and Hunter Biden's wrongdoings to the US Justice Department, right?
You realize that the investigation into Burisma stopped after the company agreed to pay a small tax fine, but well before Shokin was forced out?
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So how is extorting Ukraine for a billion and actively preventing evidence submission not a big deal for you?
That was rhetorical. We know it's because you're biased as frick and choosing to ignore the facts to suit you
I already said that I think Burisma is likely corrupt. But that doesn't automatically implicate Joe Biden. The whole story doesn't make sense. Why would Biden want to force out a prosecutor who wasn't even investigating Burisma anymore? The company had already paid its fine and moved on.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:37 pm to Speckhunter2012
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FIFY
So, case in point.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:48 pm to Strophie
quote:Not going to debate this too much, but just look around at the world right now for all the evidence you need.
I would love to see any backing of this.
All of the data show that emotional intelligence, empathy, and reasoning skills correlate with left-leaning views, which seems to be antithetical to your assertion here
What's happening to Trump and things like BREXIT and people in MAGA hats has simply never come close to happening to anyone or anything on the Left.
The only thing remotely on the level is some fanatics going after abortion clinics, maybe.
But right now, you can't walk down the street in blue cities wearing a MAGA hat without getting assaulted. Meanwhile, anyone could wear an Obama/Bernie/Biden/Hillary hat anywhere in the country and likely not get a word said to them.
The Left spent nearly 3 years trying to tie Trump to Russia/Putin, and now they're going after him because he's asking Ukraine, the goddamn adjacent arch-nemesis country of Russia/Putin, for help with looking into 2016 election meddling (on top of the alleged Biden corruption).
Do you not see how fricking batshit crazy the Left is over Trump?
One minute he's supposedly best pals with Putin, the next he's best pals with the Ukrainian President?
Meanwhile, it's the Left that actually conspired with foreign entities to try and influence the election. It's the Left that misused the Intelligence Community to spy on a Presidential Candidate/President Elect/President. It's the Left that has been shown by Harvard to be over 90% negative and biased.
If you can't simply look around with your own eyes and use your own head and see that the Left is consumed with hate and is perpetuating a "by any means necessary" approach to everything, then you're either willfully naive, delusional as hell, or simply dumb.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:50 pm to cahoots
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I think the whole ordeal is probably BS for the record.
Yeah, now that it's backfired on the Dems, I'm sure you do.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:06 pm to cahoots
quote:It clearly didn't stop on honest or proper terms. Why in the hell would they have tried to get evidence to our DOJ and been so overwhelmingly rebuffed by Obama holdovers and appointees?
You realize that the investigation into Burisma stopped after the company agreed to pay a small tax fine, but well before Shokin was forced out?
Why did our State Department approach Rudy Guiliani and ask him to intervene and try to get ahold of this evidence?
Why is the Ukraine now, without provocation on our part, insisting that Democrats contacted them in 2016 and asked them to try and find dirt on then candidate Trump?
And again, why do you keep ignoring the fact that extortion is extortion?
Biden openly admitted he threatened to withhold a billion in loans to Ukraine unless they fired Shokin. And on top of that, he demanded that he give the approval of the new appointed prosecutor.
Who gives a shite if Shokin was corrupt or not. Extortion is extortion. And, you don't really even know if Shokin was corrupt. It's only convenient for you to make that assumption or to read some Leftwing rag making that claim. When you know damn well that anything of the sort coming from Leftwing media is almost assuredly pure cover for Joe, as they consistently do for every other Democrat.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:13 pm to BeefDawg
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Biden openly admitted he threatened to withhold a billion in loans to Ukraine unless they fired Shokin. And on top of that, he demanded that he give the approval of the new appointed prosecutor.
Who gives a shite if Shokin was corrupt or not. Extortion is extortion.
Because it gives Biden, the US, and the Ukraine rationale to force Shokin out. If he was a good guy going after Burisma, this whole thing would make more sense. But there isn't much to suggest that he was.
He was soft on corruption throughout his tenure. There were protests in the streets. His deputy resigned and basically the entire international community viewed his as corrupt.
So yeah, that does matter. The Trump narrative makes way less less if he's corrupt.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:13 pm to cahoots
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Everything points to that prosecutor being corrupt.
Again. There was a question in the OP. Why so difficult to answer?
And It dont matter if the prosecutor was a serial killer. Biden ADMIITTED doing what you think Trump did. He leveraged his position to withhold aid to get a quid pro quo. It’s not up to the Vice President to... ahem.... meddle in foreign countries affairs that would in any way seen as beneficial to his son.
Corrupt is not an excuse. Comey was corrupt too.. why was the left mad about his firing?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:15 pm to cahoots
quote:He only took the position in Feb of the same year they started talking about removing him by May.
He was soft on corruption throughout his tenure. There were protests in the streets. His deputy resigned and basically the entire international community viewed his as corrupt.
And ALL of the international chatter started AFTER or very close to the same time the Biden anti-Shokin chatter started.
But yes. It's just alllllll a coincidence.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:16 pm to cahoots
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But trump shook the beehive. He had no reliable evidence
If shaking the beehive = denying one BS fake accusation after another? Then get that man a bee suit.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:20 pm to cahoots
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I think the whole ordeal is probably BS for the record. But trump shook the beehive. He had no reliable evidence to begin with.
LOL.
Let's hypothetical.
Let's pretend right here in the US, a Governor's son gets kicked out of the military for cocaine use..........less than a year after this.......he gets hired at Half a Mil a year by some company in another state that happens to do a lot of business with the state Dad leads.
Less than a year after son takes job, Dad starts using his state's economic power to threaten the Gov of the other state and force the prosecutor to be fired.
Yeah. THAT wouldn't even be looked at. No investigation whatsoever.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:23 pm to cahoots
Why are opinions from Americans about a Ukrainian prosecutor relevant one way or the other? Why was Biden so hell bent on making sure this dude got fired, to the tune of $1 billion?
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