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Laura Ingraham is breaking news on DOJ relationship w/congress & RR
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 pm
Having Jordan & Meadows on later with an announcement. Will these congressman FINALLY go for impeachment of him?
It kinda seems something is wrong with RR since he won't recuse himself, especially after Lindsey Grahams letter.
ETA: Meadows & Jordan have just announced that they have a resolution which will be filled tomorrow which will compel DOJ to turnover documents. They want documents to be turned over. House will vote on it. Not sure what this will do...?
Does anyone think they aren't turning over documents because they don't actually have any? Meaning, there was no legit reason to start investigation of Trump?
It kinda seems something is wrong with RR since he won't recuse himself, especially after Lindsey Grahams letter.
ETA: Meadows & Jordan have just announced that they have a resolution which will be filled tomorrow which will compel DOJ to turnover documents. They want documents to be turned over. House will vote on it. Not sure what this will do...?
Does anyone think they aren't turning over documents because they don't actually have any? Meaning, there was no legit reason to start investigation of Trump?
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:40 pm
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:07 pm to Cali 4 LSU
These next 3 days will be very telling on where RR stands
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:17 pm to Bunyan
Yea I'm reading the other thread but apparently I missed some stuff. What's with the EO revealing the OIG report? Can Trump actually declassify info even if it puts national security at risk?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:20 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Can Trump actually declassify info even if it puts national security at risk?
As long as he's POTUS.
POTUS is THE decision-maker. He can declassify anything he wants to declassify. ALL of those guys who decide what is classified unclassified or should be unclassified work for him. He is the head of the Executive Branch.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:20 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Can Trump actually declassify info even if it puts national security at risk?
Yep. POTUS is the executive agent of the United States and can declassify whatever he deems appropriate.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:31 pm to 10MTNTiger
So do ya'll think he will declassify the OIG report even if DOJ has redactions? Does anyone actually think DOJ will be completely honest with POTUS? After all, Comey, as FBI director, wasn't completely honest in relation to the dossier briefing.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:36 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:Well if it happened during the HIC, why haven't those committee members done anything. And why not have one of the 22 members, or even one of the 13 Republicans on the committee to discuss something that happened in a meeting with them?
Having Jordan & Meadows on later with an announcement. Will these congressman FINALLY go for impeachment of him?
quote:Recuse himself from what? I've seen people argue for his firing, but I haven't heard an argument that he should recuse himself.
It kinda seems something is wrong with RR since he won't recuse himself,
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:42 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:No. I don't know why any reductions we require Trump to get involved, since it's an investigation into something that has nothing to do with Sessions, Rosenstein, or Wray. Besides Rosenstein was the one who recommended Comey’s firing for mishandling the Hillary investigation, and this report is about the Hillary investigation.
So do ya'll think he will declassify the OIG report even if DOJ has redactions?
quote:Maybe in other situations, but I don't know how or why this would even be an issue. Why would they even meet to discuss the OIG's report?
Does anyone actually think DOJ will be completely honest with POTUS?
quote:There seemed to be a mutual distrust, but regardless these are the people Trump appointed, unlike Comey.
After all, Comey, as FBI director, wasn't completely honest in relation to the dossier briefing.
This OIG report just seems like a weird topic to focus on Rosenstein.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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Recuse himself from what? I've seen people argue for his firing, but I haven't heard an argument that he should recuse himself.
For one, he was the one who recommended Comey be fired so if Mueller is investigating Obstruction because of that action, Rosenstein is a witness. It's a total conflict of interest.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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Recuse himself from what? I've seen people argue for his firing, but I haven't heard an argument that he should recuse himself.
1. Rosenstein oversees Mueller
2. Mueller is looking at Trump for obstruction due to Comey firing.
3. Rosenstein recommended to Trump that Comey be fired.
4. Back to #1: Rosenstein oversees Mueller.
So what good reason did Sessions have to recuse? If Sessions was conflicted, then so is Rosenstein.
Seems both Sessions AND Rosenstein need to be fired. They are literally obstructing justice by ignoring their oversight body: congress!!!
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:44 pm to Cali 4 LSU
The frickers are bringing a vote to the floor to compel release of documentation. Same shite, different frickin day. Congress is useless.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:49 pm to PanhandleTigah
quote:Yeah. But the actual recommendation by Rosenstein has never been considered anything but a normal investigation and recommendation, which is a a role specific to his position.
For one, he was the one who recommended Comey be fired so if Mueller is investigating Obstruction because of that action,
quote:Not because of his recommendation, but because of Trump's comment of his motivation regardless of the recommendation. And also because of an interaction with Comey that occured well before Rosenstein was appointed.
Mueller is investigating Obstruction because of that action, R
quote:No it's not. And even if it was, it would be specific to a small part of the investigation, and only if he was required to provide testimony and that testimony indicated a conflict that hasn't been reported.
It's a total conflict of interest.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:49 pm to PanhandleTigah
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The frickers are bringing a vote to the floor to compel release of documentation. Same shite, different frickin day. Congress is useless.
Yep...I shouldn't even have started thread.
Giving Laura credit, she did push them to see if they are willing to impeach & they stopped short & said that was still in their tool box. What's the deal? Congress must be deathly afraid of DOJ. I bet DOJ is shady as can be & has the goods on everyone. RR threat to GOP regrading their emails is proof of that. Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:52 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Sick and tired of these do nothing pussy republicans.
How many times have they been on tv complaining that they can’t get any information from the DOJ???
Just fricking go get it....you pussies!!!
Walk fricking in the offices on tv and demand it...
Pussies!!!
How many times have they been on tv complaining that they can’t get any information from the DOJ???
Just fricking go get it....you pussies!!!
Walk fricking in the offices on tv and demand it...
Pussies!!!
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:55 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Congress must be deathly afraid of DOJ. I bet DOJ is shady as can be & has the goods on everyone. RR threat to GOP regrading their emails is proof of that.
Yep
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:58 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:He was recused from the Russia investigation, after it was found out that he did not report contacts with Russian officials when asked during his testimony. Whether he just forgot or lied, it gave the appearance that he may be complicit in the things that were being investigated. I doubt he was, but it was purely an ethical decision, even if there is some debate whether it was 100% necessary.
So what good reason did Sessions have to recuse?
quote:No. They appearance of a conflict was based on something completely different in regard to an investigation. And what's odd is that this is a talking point now, when this was all known at the time when obstruction due to the firing seem more possible anyways.
If Sessions was conflicted, then so is Rosenstein.
quote:This conflict has happened many times before. I posted in another thread, but the Congressional Oversight Manual and the courts have even noted that the DOJ will refuse documents regarding an ongoing investigation, and there are merits to the request and the reluctance to provide the information.
Seems both Sessions AND Rosenstein need to be fired. They are literally obstructing justice by ignoring their oversight body: congress!!!
Congress eventually has the final authority, but the DOJ can decide to provide the documentation in a secured setting instead of just sending it to them.
Regardless it's a tricky situation, which is why it's happened before. And even if congress. Eventually wins out, it's not like the DOJ isn't right to have concerns and to provide thkse concerns before the final decision.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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No it's not. And even if it was, it would be specific to a small part of the investigation, and only if he was required to provide testimony and that testimony indicated a conflict that hasn't been reported.
Same for Sessions. He wasn't an actual part of Trump campaign, just a supporter then as a member of our gov't he has "met/seen/glanced at/whatever" with Russians in the course of his duties. So why in the hell did he recuse?!
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:31 pm to buckeye_vol
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He was recused from the Russia investigation, after it was found out that he did not report contacts with Russian officials when asked during his testimony. Whether he just forgot or lied, it gave the appearance that he may be complicit in the things that were being investigated.
So? It appears that Rosenstein could be called as a witness by Mueller yet he oversees Mueller!!!
quote:
They appearance of a conflict was based on something completely different in regard to an investigation.
Again, so what? "Appearance of a conflict" is EXACTLY the reason someone should recuse! This is insane! It's like you mentioned in your post...it's the ethical thing to do. And of course, these swamp DOJ people have NO ETHICS!!!!
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the Congressional Oversight Manual and the courts have even noted that the DOJ will refuse documents regarding an ongoing investigation, and there are merits to the request and the reluctance to provide the information.
WTF!? Congress IS conducting the investigation! How in the hell are they supposed to do it when DOJ won't cooperate?!
quote:
Congress eventually has the final authority,
Well there you have it! As they should! WHO ELECTED DOJ???
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:32 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:Ultimately it was his decision, to err on the side of caution, which he found to be most ethical.
Same for Sessions. He wasn't an actual part of Trump campaign, just a supporter then as a member of our gov't he has "met/seen/glanced at/whatever" with Russians in the course of his duties. So why in the hell did he recuse?!
And at the time, nobody had a problem with the recusal. They had a problem with political pressure for the recusal though. Sessions sucks for many reasons, but blaming him becaused his recused himself is ridiculous, especially since Trump himself brought it on himself, and the blame didn't start until Trump started to blame him. And it was not only months after the recusal when the Mueller investigation began, it was months after that before Trump began to blame sessions.
Regardless, I think people are getting worked up for no reason. Once the investigation concludes, Trump will be fine, unless he did something really bad (and criminal, and not obstruction) that has never been reported on. So why get worked up over it if he's likely to come out perfectly fine, and in the highly unlikely event he doesn't then it will be for something that warranted finding in the diet first case.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:34 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Does Congress actually get results on anything they investigate? Seems like a continuous dog and pony show with these guys.
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