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re: Joe Rogan takes HoRsE DeWoRmEr, beats Covid in 3 days
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:46 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:46 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The companies are not claiming (generally) they will make you immune.
I don't know about that, either. The fact sheet specifically says:
quote:
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) AND
THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?
The vaccine has been shown to prevent COVID-19 following 2 doses given 3 weeks
apart. The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown.
Immunity in the definition of vaccines means protection from or resistance to disease. It's a common misconception that this means you will not contract it or are guaranteed to not get the disease.
In this case they specifically state that the vaccine is intended to provide immunity (resistance) to the disease (covid-19) from the pathogen (sars-cov-2).
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:47 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Are the companies that manufacturer these claiming they provide "immunity"?
See above. Per the Pfizer factsheet at least, yes.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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you don't know enough about vaccines to understand something can be a vaccine, and provide temporary immunity.
lulz
I just quoted to you the CDCs definition of 'vaccine'. Nothing in there can be interpreted to apply to these vaccines. Unless you plan on changing the definition of the word vaccine
Which is exactly what the vaccine filings asked the FDA to do. They wrote themselves that under FDA regs the mRNA shot is currently classified as gene therapy. They disagree, and want the definition changed to include what their shot does. Which is to provide therapy, not prevent a virus. :ole a vaccine always has
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:49 pm to jonnyanony
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I don't know about that, either. The fact sheet specifically says:
They appear to actually not say that at all.
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/eua-fact-sheet-recipients.pdf
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:49 pm to RobbBobb
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Which is to provide therapy, not prevent a virus. :ole a vaccine always has
Vaccines only do one thing - they invoke an immune response to prevent disease, not to prevent a virus.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:49 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:51 pm to jonnyanony
Even the Moderna factsheet says this:
quote:
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE?
In an ongoing clinical trial, the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine has been shown to prevent
COVID-19 following 2 doses given 1 month apart. The duration of protection against COVID-19
is currently unknown
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:51 pm to jonnyanony
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See above. Per the Pfizer factsheet at least, yes.
I haven't seen what you are referring to.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
Nowhere in any of these labels or warning will show anyone claiming they make you "immune". If anything the manufacturers are going out of the way to say you are not "immune".
Aspirin could lessen the symptoms of a cold, or covid... I wouldn't call that a vaccine either. Its simply a drug, although the devil is in the details.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:52 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
It has been linked. The FDA supplies a fact sheet from each provider.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:52 pm to Robin Masters
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He supposedly a doctor who spends his free time talking down to baws on a chit chat board while shilling for big pharma…
A doctor with over 33,000 on an internet message board. Might want to do some research rather than flapping your gums on here.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:56 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Nowhere in any of these labels or warning will show anyone claiming they make you "immune". If anything the manufacturers are going out of the way to say you are not "immune".
You're not going to find that claim in any vaccine fact sheet. It isn't in the gardasil-9 fact sheet, it isn't the polio vaccine fact sheet.
You'll find the exact same claim - that it shows added resistance to disease.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:57 pm to jonnyanony
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You're not going to find that claim in any vaccine fact sheet. It isn't in the gardasil-9 fact sheet, it isn't the polio vaccine fact sheet.
You'll find the exact same claim - that it shows added resistance to disease.
Okay, so he is right, its not a vaccine.
Is the manufacturer claiming it provides "immunity", if not, than generally speaking (depending on the jurisdiction) its not a vaccine.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:58 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Okay, so he is right, its not a vaccine.
To believe that would then mean there is no such thing as a vaccine.
Put on your thinkin' cap.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:00 pm to jonnyanony
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To believe that would then mean there is no such thing as a vaccine.
Put on your thinkin' cap.
If the manufacturer doesn't claim it provides immunity than logical would be depending on the Law being used that its not a vaccine.
Depending on the Law (and State) these things are not vaccines, which is his point.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:00 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Is the manufacturer claiming it provides "immunity", if not, than generally speaking (depending on the jurisdiction) its not a vaccine.
Immunity is resistance to disease. Period. They do indeed claim this.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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If the manufacturer doesn't claim it provides immunity than logical would be depending on the Law being used that its not a vaccine.
But they do. For some reason you're hunting for the literal word "immunity," instead they talk about specific metrics for disease resistance.
If you are saying that by state law there's no such thing as a vaccine (because no fact sheet uses the word "immunity") then I guess that's a weird hill to die on but enjoy!
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:01 pm to jonnyanony
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Immunity is resistance to disease. Period. They do indeed claim this.
Where? And if so, why we got all these vaccinated people getting it? None of the manufacturers are claiming that, which is why they have to admit all of them are getting it (ie infected) and passing it on. All they change it to is... well, you're symptoms will be less.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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His definition under Iowa state law was found by me in about 2 seconds using a search engine, hint, 657—39. 10.
This is what it says.
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“Vaccine” means a specially prepared antigen administered to a person for the purpose of providing immunity.
You understand that immunity in this sense includes T-dependent responses and T-independent responses? Because if you don’t, then you won’t understand why both are regarded as vaccines.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:03 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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And if so, why we got all these vaccinated people getting it?
Because the mRNA only confers an immune response for one immunologic portion of the virus. Do you understand what this means?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:03 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Where? And if so, why we got all these vaccinated people getting it?
Perhaps for the same reason people can get mumps, chicken pox, tetanus, the flu and yes even polio after being vaccinated?
You know that antigen responses aren't forever against all pathogens, right?
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