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re: Jindal wants Louisiana out of Common Core
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:41 pm to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:41 pm to CollegeFBRules
Because I don't like the federal government threatening and bribing states.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:41 pm to Shankopotomus
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GOOD But wasn't he for it before he was against it?
I don't know if he was, but admitting ones made a mistake is better than doubling down on a bad decision.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:46 pm to Choctaw
You also apparently don't like the states thinking on their own and creating their own education initiatives.
Then you don't like the federal government supporting those initiatives with incentive programs.
You know what else you don't like? Change and innovation.
You don't support Common Core because you've never tried to understand Common Core. You read paranoia from the right and buy it for who knows what reason.
Then you don't like the federal government supporting those initiatives with incentive programs.
You know what else you don't like? Change and innovation.
You don't support Common Core because you've never tried to understand Common Core. You read paranoia from the right and buy it for who knows what reason.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:06 pm to CollegeFBRules
I wish people that oppose CC would just look at CC standards before they make up their mind.
Homogeneity in regards to education is a fricking unicorn, but it's one that's worth pursuing. I'd be okay with LA ranking in the bottom 5 in our country if the margin was just a few points. That's not the case. Clearly something needs to be done, so what is so wrong with applying a unified, more rigorous curriculum across the country?
Homogeneity in regards to education is a fricking unicorn, but it's one that's worth pursuing. I'd be okay with LA ranking in the bottom 5 in our country if the margin was just a few points. That's not the case. Clearly something needs to be done, so what is so wrong with applying a unified, more rigorous curriculum across the country?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:38 pm to CollegeFBRules
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CollegeFBRules
It is truly staggering, the level of how little you know about what you are defending
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:43 pm to League Champs
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It is truly staggering, the level of how little you know about what you are defending
Don't post something like that without backing it up. I'd love to have this debate with you.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:49 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Don't post something like that without backing it up. I'd love to have this debate with you.
1) No one. Not one person can claim that the standards are tougher, because the DAMN assessment tests haven't even been given yet. Teaching subject matter to a 1st grader that used to be introduced in 2nd grade doesn't mean the standards are tougher. It means people with zero knowledge of child development found out there is money in the testing business
LINK
It is pure speculation that the tests (when finally unveiled in 14-15) will either be reliable or valid
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:52 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'd love to have this debate with you.
2) Study after study after study has proven that retention of students does not work. If a child fails two years, they are virtually guaranteed not to graduate
Tougher standards and tougher assessments will not fix the staggering drop out rates!
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:55 pm to League Champs
Not one thing you posted there has anything to do with Common Core. You're railing against general education changes, which is part of the overall problem. Any change at all is complained about.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:57 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'd love to have this debate with you.
3) Half of reading requirements are now to be filled with real world examples, or non fiction and informational. Which means we are replacing literature in our schools with lessons on how to read a utility bill, or credit card statement, or a car manual, or product assembly instructions
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:58 pm to League Champs
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Tougher standards and tougher assessments will not fix the staggering drop out rates!
The goal of Common Core is to ensure that our state's HS graduates are on par with not only other states, but other countries.
If a kid is struggling, the way to prevent drop outs is to give them another avenue of eduation - this is where alternative diplomas and trade education comes in.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:00 pm to League Champs
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3) Half of reading requirements are now to be filled with real world examples, or non fiction and informational. Which means we are replacing literature in our schools with lessons on how to read a utility bill, or credit card statement, or a car manual, or product assembly instructions
bullshite, you may be supplementing practical comprehension with those things you are mentioning, but classical literature is not being removed from the classrooms.
How many of those who failed on the old model of education had any fricking clue what Shakespeare was talking about to begin with?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:02 pm to League Champs
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1) No one. Not one person can claim that the standards are tougher, because the DAMN assessment tests haven't even been given yet. Teaching subject matter to a 1st grader that used to be introduced in 2nd grade doesn't mean the standards are tougher. It means people with zero knowledge of child development found out there is money in the testing business
Teaching material earlier in school allows for more complicated material to be taught later in school. Thus, yes, they will be tougher standards.
The first couple of years of any tests are not reliable nor valid. This is why you have live trials (which is occuring in some states) and why the "penalties" associated with failing PARCC exams are delayed a couple of years.
Considering all manner of child development experts were involved in this, and considering the material/grade level is on par with what is done in other developed countries, I think your comment about this being a money grab is foolish.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:03 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'd love to have this debate with you.
4) Common standards and assessments are a myth
A student born on Sept 29th, is almost one full year younger than the kid born on Oct. 2nd, yet they are expected to be on the exact same level by the Mar. 22nd test date. Or they will be labeled a failure
One size never fits all when dealing with a childs learning styles. As a parent of a special needs child this is the part that you should be most concerned about
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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but other countries
What a joke
What other countries require every student to be tested at all grade levels, and to have their scores averaged against US scores?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:08 pm to CollegeFBRules
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bullshite, you may be supplementing practical comprehension with those things you are mentioning, but classical literature is not being removed from the classrooms.
Like I said, you really don't know what you are defending
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The new standards, which took effect this school year, call for students in lower grades to read 50 percent fiction and 50 percent nonfiction. Those nonfiction texts, supporters argue, will be more appealing to boys who have read mostly fiction in their elementary classrooms.
By the time students hit their senior year in high school, the standards call for about 70 percent of their reading to be nonfiction.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:09 pm to League Champs
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1) No one. Not one person can claim that the standards are tougher, because the DAMN assessment tests haven't even been given yet. Teaching subject matter to a 1st grader that used to be introduced in 2nd grade doesn't mean the standards are tougher. It means people with zero knowledge of child development found out there is money in the testing business
One of my classes was part of field testing the PARCC assessment this year. I'm young. I'm not that far removed from college. I remember what the GEE looked like when I took it in high school. The tests my students took was a substantial step up in rigor from what I remember taking. IF the PARCC examinations look like that you absolutely have no leg upon which you can stand.
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3) Half of reading requirements are now to be filled with real world examples, or non fiction and informational. Which means we are replacing literature in our schools with lessons on how to read a utility bill, or credit card statement, or a car manual, or product assembly instructions
You don't know what you're talking about. Is there a greater emphasis on non-fiction texts? Yes. Question -- how much literature did you read in college? How much non-fiction did you read? How much fiction do you read every day at work?
What's more practical, producing generations of learners that can read the flying frick out of Chaucer or people that can pick up a newspaper, news article, lab report, or other piece of informational text and read it, analyze it, synthesize it, and build upon it?
Is Chaucer valuable? Sure. Is it all that should be taught? Of course not. In my opinion this is a definite step in the right direction in terms of college and real world readiness.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:11 pm to League Champs
And where does that say "getting rid of classical fiction"?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:12 pm to League Champs
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3) Half of reading requirements are now to be filled with real world examples, or non fiction and informational. Which means we are replacing literature in our schools with lessons on how to read a utility bill, or credit card statement, or a car manual, or product assembly instructions
Students will still get plenty of access to classical literature. They also will get those real-life examples. Considering how many adults can't understand those items you mentioned, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
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