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re: Its time: end ethanol requirements in our gasoline
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:32 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:32 am to scottydoesntknow
Amen
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:33 am to The Maj
I farm 1500 acres of corn.
I have no clue what you tards are referring to as it pertains to ethanol.
And as far as subsides they aren't any.
The money I get comes from the elevator which buys my grain.
Try knowing what you're talking about next time before you make yourself look like a butthurt fool.
I have no clue what you tards are referring to as it pertains to ethanol.
And as far as subsides they aren't any.
The money I get comes from the elevator which buys my grain.
Try knowing what you're talking about next time before you make yourself look like a butthurt fool.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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I realize the farmers who supply the corn for ethanol are for the most part GOP
Feed the world by SELLING corn to it.
….use the corn as money when we just give nations shite. Kinda like the petro dollar but call it the popcorn dollar.
Additionally; are there engines that take straight ethanol?
We can let them optimize that corn for engines that can use it properly.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 8:50 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:49 am to R11
Questions for you.
I assume you are growing field/dent corn. Do you buy your seed from a company like Monsanto or do you use your own seed?
Are sweet corn varieties or popcorn varieties profitable?
Is there a market for non-GMO corn?
I assume you are growing field/dent corn. Do you buy your seed from a company like Monsanto or do you use your own seed?
Are sweet corn varieties or popcorn varieties profitable?
Is there a market for non-GMO corn?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:57 am to frogtown
As long as you have the Iowa caucuses, we are stuck with it.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:27 am to prplhze2000
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As long as you have the Iowa caucuses, we are stuck with it.
Didn't Cruz win the 16 IA primary saying he'd take this away?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:36 am to scottydoesntknow
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Was talking to a buddy of mine that works in a refinery. He was talking about how much faster and cheaper it is to make just PURE GAS without all the additives required and ethanol. Our vehicles would run much better(though some may need adjustments) on pure gasoline, the price would be cheaper and people would get better gas mileage.
I realize the farmers who supply the corn for ethanol are for the most part GOP...but im sorry this is an artificial industry and needs to go
1, Every major oil company gas station chain has its own formula of additives. It is not that hard to blend as they are filling tankers. There are indie refineries which have tanks of additives for each major chain. A number of major refineries have a contract blender who does this and connected to the refinery itself.
2. The corn farmers themselves own majority share in each of almost all ethanol plants That is who gets the various state subsidies up to 30 cents per gallon of ethanol produced. In addition, the co product DDGS is a high protein ingredient in feed for livestock and aquaculture.
Not sure what your buddy does but he doesn't know that much about this.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:42 am to R11
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I farm 1500 acres of corn.
I have no clue what you tards are referring to as it pertains to ethanol.
And as far as subsides they aren't any.
The money I get comes from the elevator which buys my grain.
Try knowing what you're talking about next time before you make yourself look like a butthurt fool.
That's a whole lot of upset to just let us know you are a "yes" on removing ethanol requirements.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:42 am to Ag Zwin
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Of the corn used to produce this, how much is done by “Big Farm Investment Corp” vs. “6th Gen Family Company”?
Contract farming by local farmers or sharecropping is performed on corporation land and these local farmers couldn't survive without but instead make bank.
It was small farmers who went bankrupt in the 1980's when Reagan got rid of US direct purchase of grain to give to other nations. The price of grain dropped like a rock.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:45 am to rltiger
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I assume you are growing field/dent corn. Do you buy your seed from a company like Monsanto or do you use your own seed?
It’s typically sourced through local vendors. It’s all GMO. In my neck of the woods, K-State has quite a few research plots established, and they’re continuously developing new varieties to match a variety of factors (I.e., soil types, drought tolerance, etc.).
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Are sweet corn varieties or popcorn varieties profitable?
In our area, no. They’re niche markets. We helped a farmer pick some sweet corn a while back and he didn’t have much planted; however, he said it was mostly sold online in a bird feed blend, and most buyers are from suburban areas.
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Is there a market for non-GMO corn?
Sure, but beans and corn are predominantly grown for animal feed (feedlots and finishing barns).
Ethanol plants buy grain to make the fuel additive, yes, but co-products such as distiller’s grain (dry, wet, modified, etc.) is also sold back to the producers as a high-protein feed additive—the distiller’s we use is highly-palatable and has around 28-29% crude protein content, so it’s extremely good for finishing cattle. The plant I worked in also offered an even higher-protein (50%) co-product called Maximized Stillage Co-Products (MSC) which is used in pet food and fish food.
We‘re in year 3 of a bad drought, so GMO crops save a lot of farmers from having little to nothing. In 2023, some neighbors were selling entire fields of standing corn for others to green chop for silage. There wasn’t an ear on any of the stalks.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:57 am to rltiger
Growing your own seed is illegal
Farmers are pretty much forced to buy seed from seed companies
Farmers are pretty much forced to buy seed from seed companies
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:58 am to dstone12
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Feed the world by SELLING corn to it.
A friend in the international grain biz for 40 years told me last year that nations don't have any money to buy with, not China, not Russia, not any of them.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:00 am to HagaDaga
Idk what those requirements are.
I really don't.
It's not upset at all ... i just get annoyed and somewhat amused everytime an issue or topic of farming comes up on this site with the amount of misinformation and pure BS half you tards come up with.
I really don't.
It's not upset at all ... i just get annoyed and somewhat amused everytime an issue or topic of farming comes up on this site with the amount of misinformation and pure BS half you tards come up with.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:02 am to rltiger
Here’s a better solution: build more refineries and let it be their decision on whether or not ethanol gets added.
I know POET Biorefining started making JIVE as an asphalt “rejuvenator” additive. I don’t know how effective it is, and I don’t really care, but this is the kind of alternative energy I can get on board with.
Ethanol plants surrounded by fields of corn and beans next to feedlots are a lot easier on the eyes than wind and solar farms.
And yes, even in the Midwest, you can find fuel without ethanol. It’s costs $0.60 more per gallon, but we’re not forced to use blended-only.
I know POET Biorefining started making JIVE as an asphalt “rejuvenator” additive. I don’t know how effective it is, and I don’t really care, but this is the kind of alternative energy I can get on board with.
Ethanol plants surrounded by fields of corn and beans next to feedlots are a lot easier on the eyes than wind and solar farms.
And yes, even in the Midwest, you can find fuel without ethanol. It’s costs $0.60 more per gallon, but we’re not forced to use blended-only.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:06 am to HagaDaga
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That's a whole lot of upset to just let us know you are a "yes" on removing ethanol requirements.
Farmers receive no direct subsidies. Ethanol plants owned 51% by local farmers, regardless of what name is on the sign, get STATE subsidies for a length of time. Blenders of gasoline receive blending subsidies.
Farmers in NE Louisiana used to be almost all cotton farmers but now are growing corn and have a $2 per bushel advantage due less freight to export elevators on the Mississippi River.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:08 am to R11
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It's not upset at all ... i just get annoyed and somewhat amused everytime an issue or topic of farming comes up on this site with the amount of misinformation and pure BS half you tards come up with.
It’s the same shite when people start talking about growth hormones and antibiotics in meat. There’s a withdrawal period for any animal on medicated feed or one that has been administered medication, and if a packer catches something during an audit, your arse is in timeout for a while. Repeat offenses lead to blackballing.
And the amount of added estrogen from implanted beef is less than one nanogram in a 3 oz. serving. There’s more estrogen in a similar serving of ice cream
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:09 am to brad8504
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POET
Originally Broin named for the family of large family owned farm in Minnesota who began pushing and lobbying for ethanol in the 1980's. Also, Newtron's major financial backer for years.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:17 am to scottydoesntknow
1. Ethanol is a solvent. Solvents are bad for lubrication. Bad lubrication damages moving parts and engines.
2. Ethanol lowers octane. Lower octane requires lower compression ratios. Lower compression equals less power and additional fuel consumption.
3. Higher octane pure gasoline will support higher compression ratios. Higher compression ratios equals more power and less fuel consumption.
4. Using fertilizers and farmland for fuel seems idiotic and borderline criminal
2. Ethanol lowers octane. Lower octane requires lower compression ratios. Lower compression equals less power and additional fuel consumption.
3. Higher octane pure gasoline will support higher compression ratios. Higher compression ratios equals more power and less fuel consumption.
4. Using fertilizers and farmland for fuel seems idiotic and borderline criminal
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:19 am to CitizenK
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Originally Broin named for the family of large family owned farm in Minnesota who began pushing and lobbying for ethanol in the 1980's. Also, Newtron's major financial backer for years.
Yep. I’m in no way an advocate for ethanol usage. I’m pretty indifferent on it. I don’t like the federal mandate, and I’ve always believed consumers should dictate things—like EVs.
Rural areas in the Midwest can benefit from ethanol production, and the co-products certainly help diversify companies making ethanol. But we don’t have the infrastructure for EVs, nor any practical need to invest heavily in them.
So, on a local/regional scale, it has its place. Like I said, it’d be nice to see more refineries being built.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:23 am to LSUDad
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Not really, the newer cars chips adjust the timing for the octane.
Octane isn't really the issue for engines. Ethanol is actually great from an octane and LSPI standpoint. E85 has an octane of about 108.
One issue with Ethanol is that Ethanol can be corrosive if engines aren't properly prepped. Most are these days. Most small and marine engines are not.
The biggest issue is that it is 30% less energy per gallon than gasoline. Meaning that mileage suffers and you burn more fuel. Also it makes it more difficult for car companies to meet the mileage standards that the government sets.
If we had a significant multi-season sugar crop it would be great to use. But using subsidized corn for fuel is really a poor model.
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