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re: If secession ever occurs... Would you?

Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
12832 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:19 pm to
What about Manitoba? Combine parts of Canada and Alaska to form the new USA. They can have Hawaii and most of California, Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland. The NE and most of those shithole cities can form their own country.
Posted by jfootball14
Member since Nov 2013
1702 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:19 pm to
Lol yeah right. Closer to 20%
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5936 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:20 pm to
It is not legally possible for a state to secede from the union. There is no right of secession afforded to states in the constitution. So it’s not possible.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8964 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

It is not legally possible for a state to secede from the union. There is no right of secession afforded to states in the constitution. So it’s not possible.


Name the law hot shot ....the opinion of Cash in White V Texas is not a law ...it's one opinion having nothing to do with Constitution or the decision of that Supreme Court.

Try again.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5936 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:28 pm to
The Constitution has names procedures in place to add new states. There is no procedure in place for a state to leave. It’s not mentioned.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5936 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:54 pm to
And by the way use the damn common sense God gave you. If there was any legal way for states to leave the union then we would not ever had a civil war here in America and if you live in the South then you would live in the Confederate States of America right now rather than the United States. The Confederate states would have just used the powers gave to them in the Constitution and left the USA without fighting a war for the right to do so if the Constitution had anything in it that gave states the option to leave at any time. They don’t exist so they had to fight a war to leave the union.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 10:57 pm
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8964 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:57 pm to
Do you realize why your argument is fictitious?

There is nothing within the Constitution that spells out the process to secede. It's not mentioned ....that means there IS NO LAW.

Now I provided the one and only mention from a Supreme Court Justice in a decision after the Civil War and why the Cash Opinion is not law ....it's a support for the decision rendered in that case .....Opinions are not additions to the Constitution ...therefore ..It's not law and no prevention for secession. The trail had nothing to do with secession. It had everything to do with bonds issued by Texas to fund their part of the war effort.

The Cash decision, with the supporting cast, decided to punt and declared that Texas had actually not seceded from the union.

You are depending on the final decision of not being in the Constitution as being the reason it's not legal ....Just like reading a football rule book, everything is not in the rule book, you have to find examples in the case book.

The Federalist Papers were written as a guide on how to interpret the Constitution. Supreme Court Justices have their clerks read the Federalist Papers to find the opinions of the founders ...the authors that wrote the document. You are sold on the notion that the cast that had defeated the British by way of a Declaration of Independence and war, now wanted to shackle the thirteen states and future states with the very tyranny that just been thrown off by the colonies ....Nice try, but without merit or foundation. The authors of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers were very opinionated with this being a union joined without oppression.
Posted by DemSaintsDoh
Shreveport, LA
Member since Jan 2014
1254 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:03 pm to
Ferda, Bud.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5936 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:14 pm to
Scalia was asked his opinion on this very subject and basically he said that he could not imagine this subject ever being brought before the court but if there was any Constitutional right settled by the Civil War it would be that there is NO legal right to secede.

The Constitution does not address this so Congress would have to establish a legal way for a state to leave. Otherwise using the logic you use states would just go and come every 2 to 4 years every time elections didn’t go there way. California for example would have just said we are leaving the USA when Trump was elected and as soon as Biden won they would have just came back. States would just go and come all the time like that if it was that easy every time they didn’t like the person in the White House. Being part of the USA as a state is like being in the mob. Once you are in there is no getting out unless you wanna fight a war to get out like the Confederate States did.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:17 pm
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