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re: If both political parties are on the side of Labor, what does this mean for capitalism?

Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:49 pm to
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Simply because you protectionists dont believe in free market capitalism and are afraid of it.


You’re want the US to move away from its partial command economy towards a true free market

In the meantime you support immigration to fill holes, yet you do not understand how this changes the political landscape and makes your preferred rolling back of state power option increasingly smaller

I’m only continuing to argue with you because I’m amused, because it could not be more clear to me it’s impossible to get through to you. But hopefully others can read what some of us are saying and some things will click.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:49 pm to
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You are advocating to enrich other countries to our detriment.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:51 pm to
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In the meantime you support immigration to fill holes, yet you do not understand how this changes the political landscape and makes your preferred rolling back of state power option increasingly smaller


Yes, I do.

Successful white people are not breeding. You dont have much of a choice here.

Bring select workers in, or offshore production.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Successful white people are not breeding. You dont have much of a choice here.


Part of this is ideology. Which is increasingly poisoned by the political landscape

Part of it is cost of living has made people feel that having a child is unaffordable.

Why has cost of living become unaffordable? Well wages have stagnated in proportion to inflation.

Guess what plays a huge factor in keeping those wages down? Imported cheap foreign labor
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Part of it is cost of living has made people feel that having a child is unaffordable.


Which is very dumb, poor people are breeding.


Income is inverse to breeding rates.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:59 pm to
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Which is very dumb, poor people are breeding.


Because the state covers their essential expenses.

When did this come about? Oh yeah, in the 60s with the civil rights and immigration reforms
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:00 pm to
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Because the state covers their essential expenses.


Why is it then that the higher the income, the lower the rate of breeding?

You would think educated rich people would be having kids eh?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:02 pm to
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This decreasing relationship between fertility and income is well known to economists and demographers alike. In addition, it holds true over time: Rich countries, such as the U.S., have experienced a remarkable decline in their fertility rate as they became rich. Also, the relationship holds at the individual level, as rich families tend to have fewer children than poor families.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Of course there are detrimental immigration issues, but until Americans stop being so fricking lazy, its required.



Americans produce more than any country on earth by A LOT.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:05 pm to
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Why is it then that the higher the income, the lower the rate of breeding?

You would think educated rich people would be having kids eh?


E Pluribus, Pauciores (Out of Many, Fewer): Diversity and Birth Rates

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Abstract
In the United States, local measures of racial and ethnic diversity are robustly associated with lower birth rates. A one standard deviation decrease in racial concentration (having people of many different races nearby) or increase in racial isolation (being from a numerically smaller race in that area) is associated with 0.064 and 0.044 fewer children, respectively, after controlling for many other drivers of birth rates. Racial isolation effects hold within an area and year, suggesting that they are not just proxies for omitted local characteristics. This pattern holds for many racial groups, is present in different vintages of the US census data (including before the Civil War), and holds internationally. Diversity is associated with lower marriage rates and marrying later. These patterns are related to homophily (the tendency to marry people of the same race), as the effects are stronger in races that intermarry less and vary with sex differences in intermarriage. The rise in racial diversity in the US since 1970 explains between 20% and 44% of the decline in birth rates during that period, depending on methodology.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:05 pm to
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Americans produce more than any country on earth by A LOT.


Mainly due to more automation and tech advances.

We are a nation led by the .05%.



Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:06 pm to
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Mainly due to more automation and tech advances.



Crazy how none of these other harder working, smarter cultures can hold a fricking candle to us.



Maybe they should try being lazier, they might actually create something.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:07 pm to
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We are a nation led by the .05%.

Who isn't?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:07 pm to
But thats now what is happening here, its wealthy white people who quit having kids.

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:08 pm to
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Part of this is ideology. Which is increasingly poisoned by the political landscape

Part of it is cost of living has made people feel that having a child is unaffordable.

Why has cost of living become unaffordable? Well wages have stagnated in proportion to inflation.

Guess what plays a huge factor in keeping those wages down? Imported cheap foreign labor


Big picture that some of us can see clearly while others can't see it even when spelled out for them.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40080 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:08 pm to
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RogerTheShrubber



How many kids do you have?
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
83035 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:08 pm to
Which means we simply must import as many min wage chumps as possible!
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:10 pm to
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Crazy how none of these other harder working, smarter cultures can't hold a fricking candle to us.


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Based on key indicators of innovation and advanced-industry performance, China has surpassed the United States in total innovation output and is getting close on a proportional basis. To regain its leadership, the United States must respond more strategically and forceful


LINK

Protectionism slows productivity growth

This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:12 pm to
Fix your link Shrub.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293324 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Which means we simply must import as many min wage chumps as possible!


Or have Americans start breeding again.

Economic growth occurs two ways. Expanding the workforce or creating innovation.


Its the innovation, not the workforce driving economic prosperity. We literally just need warm bodies.
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