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re: Have all the big cities in America turned into violent/ugly places?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:14 pm to LarrytheGofer
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:14 pm to LarrytheGofer
As poor people outbreed smart people, it's inevitable
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
These threads crack me up. Chicago is absurdly nice and safe, with the exception of a some shitty Southside neighborhoods that literally no functional human being would have any reason to visit. But let's definitely overlook the 98% of the city that is thriving.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:28 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Starting in the early 1990's and continuing until about 2011, the city aggressively started tearing down the huge public housing projects that had been nests for some of the worst crime in the country. Tearing down Cabrini Green alone forced almost 30,000 people to move away.
I've read that is a major factor driving the current violence in Chicago. All those people were scattered around and now they're reestablishing turf and boundaries. No clue if true but it makes sense.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:29 pm to SleauxPlay
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But let's definitely overlook the 98% of the city that is thriving.
At some point, youll be overrun with poor people who have no job prospects
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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At some point, youll be overrun with poor people who have no job prospects
Except that this is literally the opposite of what is happening. But other than that, right on.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:34 pm to SleauxPlay
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But let's definitely overlook the 98% of the city that is thriving.
So to be clear you have never been to Chi-town
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:36 pm to SDVTiger
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So to be clear you have never been to Chi-town
3-4 times annually, as half of my in-laws live there. Any more questions? Also, anyone that calls it Chi-Town clearly has not. But keep pummeling those strawmen.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:39 pm to SleauxPlay
Lol visiting the farm in Bloomington isnt Chitown
But keep thinking the city is all like the Mile baw
But keep thinking the city is all like the Mile baw
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:44 pm to northshorebamaman
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Starting in the early 1990's and continuing until about 2011, the city aggressively started tearing down the huge public housing projects that had been nests for some of the worst crime in the country. Tearing down Cabrini Green alone forced almost 30,000 people to move away.
I've read that is a major factor driving the current violence in Chicago. All those people were scattered around and now they're reestablishing turf and boundaries. No clue if true but it makes sense.
The large project tear down and the arrest of a lot of the most senior gang leaders (like Larry Hoover) in the late 1990's coincided, so that did happen quite a bit, but it mostly shook out in the 2000's.
This most recent uptick since 2015 is believed to have been driven, in party, by the huge flow of heroin that is now coming through Chicago (it is a classic and perfect logistics and distribution center, afterall, and the cartels know that as well as we do) and, in part, by personal beefs often driven by social media (largely enabled by a culture that even more economically, geographically, and culturally isolated from the rest of the city than it used to be). Kind of as a generalization, the Westside is the center of the heroin trade - it is amazing how many busts there are all the time there - because it is closer and easier to get to for most of the suburbs for sale and the interstates to ship elsewhere; the Southside tends to be more of the personal stuff, and that place is pretty far removed from the life of the city in just about every way. Sears and Marshall Fields going down really hurt the Westside a lot; much of the Southside has always been shite. I would guess a lot of the roughest parts of the Westside will be gentrified away within a generation.
ETA: The police have also backed off a bit after Laquan MacDonald. That hasn't helped. And we've had two abnormally warm winters in a row. The two before that were very cold, and violence was way down (that really is a thing here).
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:48 pm to Andychapman13
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No, it's not racist to point out the obvious! Don't let people convince you of this. These cities take our tax dollars to conduct these "studies" to find out why crime is so bad and the answer is right in front of us all!
I'm not saying it's racist, but that's what the progressives will/do say.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:51 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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And we've had two abnormally warm winters in a row. The two before that were very cold, and violence was way down (that really is a thing here).
I think that's a thing everywhere my man. Here in St. Louis the murders don't really start popping until about early May. July and August (the two hottest months) are also always the highest murder months.Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:53 pm to SleauxPlay
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These threads crack me up. Chicago is absurdly nice and safe, with the exception of a some shitty Southside neighborhoods that literally no functional human being would have any reason to visit. But let's definitely overlook the 98% of the city that is thriving.
This is correct as Chicago is one of the best at keeping the riff raft away from the viable parts of the city. New York does it well too.
Chicago is far from thriving though. Although that is another conversation completely and has nothing to do with crime.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:00 pm to LarrytheGofer
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Have all the big cities in America turned into violent/ugly places?
NYC is pretty nice.
Philly, Baltimore, Detroit, and New Orleans are all largely shite holes.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:02 pm to TheXman
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This is correct as Chicago is one of the best at keeping the riff raft away from the viable parts of the city. New York does it well too.
Chicago, Atlanta, Memphis, St. Louis, and DC are all pretty but have some VERY bad areas.
Honestly if not for the winters, I probably wouldn't mind living in the Chicago area.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:18 pm to SleauxPlay
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At some point, youll be overrun with poor people who have no job prospects
Except that this is literally the opposite of what is happening. But other than that, right on.
You have reading comp issues.
It will happen. Right now cities have priced poor people out of the urban core. In a couple decades you'll see a rapid decline in urban living.
Two things have made many cities safer. Segregation via cost of living and profiling. The next few generations will flip the script
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:39 pm to 225bred
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50 shot every weekend in Chicago.. yeah real fricking beautiful.
That doesn't take place in North Chicago, which is beautiful. It takes place in the parts of the city where questionable people live. It rarely spills over.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:41 pm to Ace Midnight
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Atlanta, NYC, Washington D.C. - all rose up from being considered relatively crime ridden to relatively prosperous
Atlanta is experiencing a huge white flood, outpricing and pushing the ghetto out into some of the suburbs. The crime rate in certain suburbs is rising quickly while many areas of Atlanta are occupied by young educated professionals who can afford the exorbitant rental prices.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:55 pm to Wildcat In Germany
Gentrification is causing resentment in displaced minority denizens and I wonder how the friction between them and young white Democrat voters who pushed them out, plays out.
I don't care if they kill each other but it bothers me that their lifestyles are paid for by taxpayers.
I don't care if they kill each other but it bothers me that their lifestyles are paid for by taxpayers.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:56 pm to TheXman
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I think that's a thing everywhere my man. Here in St. Louis the murders don't really start popping until about early May. July and August (the two hottest months) are also always the highest murder months.
Kind of - I always remind myself that many people on here live in a climate that is pretty warm all year. A mild winter in New Orleans or Houston or Miami or LA doesn't have the same variance effect on crime as it does for Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, etc.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 7:05 pm to texashorn
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Gentrification is causing resentment in displaced minority denizens and I wonder how the friction between them and young white Democrat voters who pushed them out, plays out.
There's a huge stink in Atlanta. Kasim Reed is taking a lot of flack for the lack of affordable housing. Not all of the young white people moving in are Democrats though. There are quite a few Republicans and Independents moving back in. Even in gay Midtown, for example, 10-20% of every precinct went for Trump. In Little Five, 9-14% went for Trump. These are areas that you think of as being entirely liberal.
The entire West Paces area and Vinings went for Trump. Buckhead voted for Clinton, but it was close. Brookhaven voted for Clinton, but it was close.
AJC map of how every precinct in the core metro counties voted.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 7:07 pm
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