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re: Fallujah: The untold story
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:39 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:39 am to Patrick O Rly
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I didn't do anything for this country, and I was well compensated. Any notions I had that I was "serving this country" were gone after my first deployment.
I know how you feel on the matter man. I was just fricking with you.
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Gotcha. 
I was crew member on the old style LCU's, and they kicked us out of the well deck off the coast of Somalia to chase pirates around, but the pirates had speed boats, and our top speed was 11 knots. It was a huge waste of fuel and man hours. And that was just one of the many pointless task they had us do.
I was crew member on the old style LCU's, and they kicked us out of the well deck off the coast of Somalia to chase pirates around, but the pirates had speed boats, and our top speed was 11 knots. It was a huge waste of fuel and man hours. And that was just one of the many pointless task they had us do.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:14 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:If true, then you were no different than the mercenaries of Blackwater. However, I disagree that you did nothing for this country. You may not have recognized it at the personal level, and your disillusionment is not unique. But serving the interests of the country is the mission of the military as an organization, and you were a part of the organization. Your perspective was different than those making the decisions.
I didn't do anything for this country, and I was well compensated.
It is important that you remember your experiences when voting for future leaders. Hopefully you will share your perspective with others to try and influence their choices. If so, then your service will have been for more than the compensation.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:23 am to Poodlebrain
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If true, then you were no different than the mercenaries of Blackwater. However, I disagree that you did nothing for this country. You may not have recognized it at the personal level, and your disillusionment is not unique. But serving the interests of the country is the mission of the military as an organization, and you were a part of the organization. Your perspective was different than those making the decisions.
Well, I didn't shoot at or kill anyone.
We provided a lot of military security for private oil and shipping companies. A lot of people in the Army have had the experience of guarding poppy fields.
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It is important that you remember your experiences when voting for future leaders. Hopefully you will share your perspective with others to try and influence their choices. If so, then your service will have been for more than the compensation.
The one guy in politics that actually shared my views on foreign was booed by the crowd in the Republican debates.
I plan to never vote again. Mostly because I don't like doing pointless task. I also don't need a "leader." I don't need a president. I don't need a senator or a representative, so I'm not going to ask for one. People say if you don't vote, you can't complain, but I think they have it backwards.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:29 am to Poodlebrain
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If true, then you were no different than the mercenaries of Blackwate
Blackwater employees were not mercenaries. Not even close. Blackwater and the PMCs that were employed in Iraq and Afghanistan did not and do not take contracts from governments or entities that are not approved by the USGOV or the remaining members of the western allied countries.
There are few functional differences between a PMC employee working under a USGOV contract and a US military member, the primary difference being UCMJ . The CIA also employs a great many contractors, some of which are quite famous for their effectiveness. Billy Waugh was a green card contractor for much of his career after the Army. I don't see people up in arms over this well known fact.
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But serving the interests of the country is the mission of the military as an organization, and you were a part of the organization. Your perspective was different than those making the decisions.
I don't want to split hairs here, but serving the needs of the government is the obligation of everyone who agreed to serve the needs of the government via a contract. That includes PMCs, CIA dorks, and Military service members.
The common sentiment is that service to the country and service to the government are two different things and I would take a wild guess and say Paddy doesn't feel he did his country much justice. A lot of guys feel that way and I personally don't have a grievance with that perspective.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:56 am to MrCarton
A great read on Fallujah is David Bellavia's book "House to House"
My old 1SG was OPCON'd (assigned) to a USMC unit in the city. He and his medics were pretty messed up mentally after that fight. He's still in but he was never the same person after that stint.
My old 1SG was OPCON'd (assigned) to a USMC unit in the city. He and his medics were pretty messed up mentally after that fight. He's still in but he was never the same person after that stint.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:11 am to NWarty
I will make a note of this. Thanks for the reference.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:11 am to NWarty
Double.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/12/14 at 4:59 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:How did it help me? Those fricking fanatics are the same type of people who flew planes into the World Trade Center. Can you tell me with certainty that one of those pigs they killed could not have possibly gunned me and my family down while visiting the pyramids in Egypt had he lived? Or set off a suicide bomb in a cafe in Israel while I'm having coffee? No, then STFU.
How did him killing a "frickton" of "insurgence" serve you?
And I'm not debating that they didn't kill some generally nasty individuals, but how did that help you?
Generally speaking, anyone who was in Fallujah when the Marines went in and chose to stay and fight was a fanatic and deserved to die.
BTW, thanks for serving in the military although you think it was for naught.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 5:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
What does the constitutution have to do with fallujah? We were at war sir, so u can throw those rights out the window..
Some wise man once said....
"All is fair in love and war"
Some wise man once said....
"All is fair in love and war"
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