re: Elections have Consequences

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If by strongmen you mean people that give voice to the half of the country that isn't liberal? Then yes, that's what we need. Because the media as a whole seemed completely surprised that there was discontent among the middle class.

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It wasn't just the media my friend...it was both parties also...Trump and his campaign has no resemblance to any GOP candidate or campaign in history. Yes, the elite media and the elite political class was surprised that the middle class had had enough. And the middle class voicing their dissent is very promising. The entire narrative that the media is in lockstep with the left and therefore it is nearly impossible to effect change has been disproven....it doesn't matter who the media colludes with or who they don't....the middle class has a voice and can effect change when they decide to. It doesn't require a strongman it only requires a candidate who represents the interests of EVERY American....the middle class included...and Trump did that and good on him for doing so....now it is time to prove it is sincere.

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The lunatic fringe. The people trying to turn America into a Venezuela.

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I would agree they are a problem and one that will solve itself. Is the lunatic right as big a problem? Are people like your fellow Trump supporter who wrote this in response to my post in this thread:

"We don't have to kill all of them. Send them to reeducation camps and the one's that can be worked with will be allowed back into the population."

As much a problem or is Cambodia a better example of how a nation ought to conduct business than Venezuela?

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Now you're suggesting that I'm advocating slaughter? WTF?

That's really reading into what I wrote. I'm suggesting balance in the media. As it is, the media is extremely biased in favor of liberal candidates. Why should the left get special treatment? Suggesting that they lose control of the narrative does not mean shipping them off to extermination camps.

The truly fringe leftists should be pushed into obscurity like the rag mags they are does not mean what you think it means.

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Obscurity may not mean eliminated to you but to some of you ilk your version of obscurity for the majority of people who could be bothered to vote is not good enough...


The left never had control of the narrative. Bernie Sanders is as close to a prominent leftist politician this nation has ever produced...Huey Long might have been had he not been assassinated. Bernie Sanders faced even more resistance as a leftist from the establishment than Trump did as a moderate....wikileaks proved this beyond any doubt. The reason the middle class had been pushed to the back burner and had lost their voice in Washington isn't because of the Washington Post or Mother Jones...that is an excuse for losing like claiming the refs never call holding against your opponent. The reason the middle class lost their voice is because for years they have either used their voice (in the form of voting) for Conservative Republicans who couldn't give a frick about working people (take a look at the resistance to Obama's proposed overtime changes) OR they used their voice to support moderates who put forth the idea that their is common ground between capital and labor (Bill Clinton signed NAFTA...that ain't the move of a person interesting in the cause of labor....he was also the governor of a right to work state....no friend of labor there). We, the middle class, lost our voice not because of the press but because we refused to demand our politicians listened to our voice.....and we did so for all sorts of nefarious reasons...and the establishment took it and ran. Look at the proliferation of billionaires in the United States since the late 70's....the press aint to blame the middle class is too blame because we allowed ourselves to be mesmerized by all sorts of meaningless shite like same sex marriage and weapons of mass destruction (which, by the way, the Trump campaign is now well aware never existed).

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Deal with it. Oh, and the popular vote means nothing; absolutely nothing. You are ignorant of our form of government.

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No my friend I understand and support the fact that popular vote means nothing in as much as who becomes president...but in public opinion, the much more important arena in a democracy....it means everything. Trump does not have a mandate....he faces stiff resistance to every goal....and not just from the minority party but from his own party. He also faces stiff resistance from a pissed off electorate of people whose popular vote does not matter as you so succinctly state...those people are not going away...regardless of where the live they are going to be writing letters and going to town hall meetings and doing what the GOP did when they lost both the electoral and the popular vote in 2008 and 20012. The popular vote means nothing in who sits in the oval office but it means everything in what that person is able to accomplish while in that office....

Take out the Libtards and illegals that voted in California. California does not represent where the majority of this nation wants to see this nation.