re: Edward Snowden is a hero, anyone who says otherwise is a blubbering fool

I'm confused, who is the traitor and who isn't?

I thought the politicians were traitors??

Now it is Snowden..

No it is Assange...

Wait, it is Jefferson, Washington, and Adams..

No, it is Trump

Wait, it is Obama..

We seem to throw these axioms(traitors) around on just about anybody.

I thought a traitor is anyone who does ill (betrays) that causes harm to his own country?

Did Snowden betray you, me, or our neighbor by divulging the facts that we are being lied to and spied on illegally?? We represent the country and not those sycophants in Washington and our local state capital.

I don't think what Obama did, if true, is considered a traitor either. It is illegal, but it isn't a traitor. That is a strong accusation to make.

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Did Snowden betray you, me, or our neighbor by divulging the facts that we are being lied to and spied on illegally??

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No, but his actions weren't limited to that.

And this is why it's possible to vigorously oppose current surveillance practices and still have zero sympathy for Trump.

Exactly...

I have zero sympathy as he should know before he ever went into the White House that he would be enemy #1 to the elites around the world that wish him not to disrupt the world order.

I'm beginning to question not his heart, or his dedication to helping this country recover from decades of true traitors in my book, but rather his discernment and acumen to people in general. Maybe he hasn't ever experienced being lied to and your life attempted to be destroyed by someone you trust or love. I have, and I trust no one. My mom and that is it. I don't even trust my dad or sisters.

I'm beginning to sense he doesn't understand the nature of men. It will be his downfall if he doesn't change his way of thinking really quick.

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Snowden, as a traitor, was based on the premise of a just and uncorrupted IC. This is not the case.

Snowden was the one defending the constitution. Not the IC.

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You know how this is true?

The Snowden bashers aren't even bothering to defend the IC as they know its corrupt as shite and an enemy of the 4th amendment.

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No, but his actions weren't limited to that.

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I listened to a former MI6 operative speak on a show about a month ago and he insisted that Snowden should neither be seen as a hero or a traitor.

His reasoning was too complex for me-someone who doesn't work in the surveillance state-so I just took notes.

Seems that Snowden took every proper channel to try and stop the activity he found and was given deceit, and tricked. That is the part I find compelling in his favaor. He didn't just rush to the tabloids and say, "LOOK AT ME". He knew his proper channel for reporting illegal activity and when he began to realize that the world is so corrupt that even your superiors can't be trusted, he BOLTED.

Now, as for being a hero, this guys reasons were that it does jeopardize our safety to a degree because it will hinder our ability to survey other threats that may be viable as our enemies now know our paths to 'spy'.

Interesting to hear it come from a guy who was in the game for decades in Britain.

The gist of it all is that Snowden gave up his life for a cause that neither benefits us (we already knew we are being spied on) nor benefits us lol.. Because, the world now knows how we operate to a certain degree...

Dude, can be seen as either or.

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Dude, can be seen as either or.

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I don't care what kind of NDA he signed. As an American citizen he was obligated to inform his fellow countrymen of the criminal activity our government was committing against us.

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No, he didn't. He also had other motivations.

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Where do you get your source though?

This man was a legitimate former MI6 operative who has connections around the globe. If you wish me to look him up I'll try and find the audio of this conversation. He talked extensively about the chain of command style structure that is within the IC and the proper guidelines used to report illegal activity. He went into detail that you would more than likely understand more than I


He said he didn't just report it once, but multiple times and nothing was done about it. This wasn't a spurious moment for Snowden. This was an evolving situation that grew because he was shut down when he attempted to report.

I don't think he is a hero now brother so slow that roll. I don't think he is anything but a man who risked his life for something he believed in, but it does not make us safer. As the MI6 OP said, "He revealed the inner workings of the NSA and how they operate. He then left to Russia and China and they definitely know what to look for now because of Snowden". So, he is a traitor also. Dude should have kept his mouth shut or quit.

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Where do you get your source though?

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Probably some of the same places, and then some. Nobody I work with thinks Snowden is anyone but a traitor. I wonder why.

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True heroes know what they are getting into and don't cowardly run off. I have zero respect for him. And neither did this MI6 officer. Said

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So fricking stupid