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re: Do you think the US will inevitably become more liberal after Trump
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:33 pm to MastrShake
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:33 pm to MastrShake
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self-professed liberals had more gray matter in the anterior cingulate cortex,
Well, tthey certainly harbor more hate, and they are more prone to violence.
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Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:36 pm to MastrShake
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the right amygdala processes fear, and that is more well developed in self-professed conservatives than it is in liberals.
Again, if that's the case why is it the Democrats, and not the Republicans, running fear-based political campaigns? Why was it Biden and not Ryan who said "They'll put you back in chains"? Why was it the Democrats who made a central theme of their campaign "War on Women"?
Face it, it's because it works. And it works only because liberals are highly susceptible to fear.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:50 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:no, it wouldnt. because not a single thing about religion holds up to even the slightest bit of critical analysis. it's stone-age superstition, that's all it is.
Going back to my first point, then you should see a LOT more people who were raised atheist and became Christian.
Christians pretend to eat a guys flesh and drink his blood. and not symbolically, Catholics believe they are literally eating and drinking the flesh and blood of jesus.
theyre pretending to be cannibals.
its 2017 and, according to them, they practice cannibalism once a week.
just step back and think about that for a minute.
it is genuine insanity.
they grovel before god and give offerings and say chants to praise him so they won't go to hell. how is this any different then throwing a virgin into a volcano to ensure a good harvest? it's appeasing an angry god in both cases, yet im pretty sure most Christians today would think the volcano thing was stupid.
quote:everything you say after this is anecdotal, it's simply how you see the world. i do the same thing but from the other side. we both almost certainly see things as more exaggerated then they actually are.
You apparently haven't been watching US politics the past decade.
these are not facts.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:58 pm to MastrShake
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self-professed liberals had more gray matter in the anterior cingulate cortex, which helps people process new information and cope with complexity.
Then why don't we see more evidence of this in their views?
I'll go back to the aforementioned Roby bill.
Conservatives: "Some people would be better served by having the option of flex time, while others are better served by overtime pay. We should allow workers to choose based on their individual needs, just as some public employees and some union employees have done for decades." Sounds like a good understanding of nuance/complexity.
Progs: "Zomg change is bad! One size fits all!"
Or global warming. Even if you believe that CO2 emissions are having a significant effect on the world climate, you're still a flat earthed unless you adhere to a very narrow view. No room for nuance like suggesting that solar cycles are also a factor, or that the effects will be less than catastrophic, or restoring rainforest will help counter some of the emissions. Too much complexity.
Or health care. Progs want you to be mandated to buy insurance, and it HAS to be the plan they want you to buy. They oppose any kind of consumer choice. The appropriate plan is exactly the same for everyone. A young, healthy person (or an otherwise healthy person with a chronic condition) can't POSSIBLY benefit from a low premium high deductible plan or an HSA. They should have to buy a plan with no in network specialists and free birth control. Where's the nuance and complexity in Obamacare?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:09 pm to MastrShake
Again. It's bullshite. The only way the left wins any election is appealing to the lowest common denominator. Add that to your bullshite study. The lowest IQ people vote left. Conservatives consistently score higher on IQ tests. Your bullshite study is a way to claim a moral and intellectual superiority which does not exist. You don't know, can't know what these conservatives are fearful of yet you have no problem filling in the blanks. Again your study or studies are skewed and not good for much but liberal's egos.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:09 pm to MastrShake
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Christians pretend to eat a guys flesh and drink his blood. and not symbolically, Catholics believe they are literally eating and drinking the flesh and blood of jesus.
theyre pretending to be cannibals.
its 2017 and, according to them, they practice cannibalism once a week.
just step back and think about that for a minute.
it is genuine insanity.
Read the Gospels. Jesus said "This IS my body". It was a Seder meal, and the Crucifixion was the new Passover with Christ as the new Passover lamb. You kind of disproved your own point - atheists don't know religion very well. They know it on a Trivial Pursuit level.
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they grovel before god and give offerings and say chants to praise him so they won't go to hell. how is this any different then throwing a virgin into a volcano to ensure a good harvest
Well, for starters the latter is human sacrifice which is frowned upon in a big way. If you want to talk about insanity, you just equated hymns with murder.
You're also proving my point about progs not being capable of nuance. Many Protestant denominations believe justification comes from faith; prayer and almsgiving are works and would not bring salvation. Catholics do not require tithing and chants are not an integral part of Mass.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:14 pm to MastrShake
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everything you say after this is anecdotal
Um, no. Voting is a very measurable and objective data set. It's more reliable than what people tell a pollster they think. It's anonymous and has an actual effect, and it's a clear commitment to a candidate or a yes/no on a referendum.
And example of behavior/campaigning I listed is a data point as well. It's mostly behavior by successful politicians, who achieved their positions by knowing what buttons to push in the psyches of their voters.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:15 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Many Protestant denominations believe justification comes from faith; prayer and almsgiving are works and would not bring salvation. Catholics do not require tithing and chants are not an integral part of Mass
But but atheists know so much more about religions.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:17 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:i defy you to find an ad for a major campaign that plays on pure fear more than this one...
Again, if that's the case why is it the Democrats, and not the Republicans, running fear-based political campaigns?
youtube
same theme here...
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now remind me, what party does Bush belong to?
note: as a reminder, the man who ran that campaign was Lee Atwater. here are his thoughts on how the GOP should scare the base about black people:
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You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni--er, ni--er, ni--er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni--er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni--er, ni--er.”
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:19 pm to volod
I think we are seeing a lot of people move away from defining themselves by either major party. I don't know if there will be any major shift in the near future.
The biggest problem for us when it comes to political discourse is hardly anyone wants to hear the other viewpoint.
No matter what your world view is on a subject, there is going to be information out there to back that view. Confirmation bias plagues all sides.
If think Trump is the devil, you will find people, articles, and writings to back that up. If you think BLM is a terrorist group or that OBamaCare was the worst thing ever, you will find tons of people backing your opinion up. Unfortunately, the people who look and read those writings rarely if ever spend time learning about the counterpoint. Their world view is now confirmed to them and anyone who believes differently is flat out wrong and should be ridiculed and shamed
It's dangerous.
Because of this, it seems there is a large swath of people in the middle who just keep their mouth shut about anything politically, and just vote on Election Day to whichever candidate spoke to them
The biggest problem for us when it comes to political discourse is hardly anyone wants to hear the other viewpoint.
No matter what your world view is on a subject, there is going to be information out there to back that view. Confirmation bias plagues all sides.
If think Trump is the devil, you will find people, articles, and writings to back that up. If you think BLM is a terrorist group or that OBamaCare was the worst thing ever, you will find tons of people backing your opinion up. Unfortunately, the people who look and read those writings rarely if ever spend time learning about the counterpoint. Their world view is now confirmed to them and anyone who believes differently is flat out wrong and should be ridiculed and shamed
It's dangerous.
Because of this, it seems there is a large swath of people in the middle who just keep their mouth shut about anything politically, and just vote on Election Day to whichever candidate spoke to them
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:21 pm to MastrShake
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i defy you to find an ad for a major campaign that plays on pure fear more than this one...
The infamous Daisy ad.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:24 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:youre literally saying the exact same thing i just said. they pretend to eat and drink a human being.
Read the Gospels. Jesus said "This IS my body". It was a Seder meal, and the Crucifixion was the new Passover with Christ as the new Passover lamb. You kind of disproved your own point - atheists don't know religion very well. They know it on a Trivial Pursuit level.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:25 pm to bencoleman
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But but atheists know so much more about religions.
And cons aren't capable of grasping complexity, nuance, or different information. (Full disclosure: I'm not a conservative.)
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:26 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:why dont you go ahead and link someone saying that. i'd love to see it.
Progs: "Zomg change is bad! One size fits all!"
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:33 pm to MastrShake
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why dont you go ahead and link someone saying that. i'd love to see it.
Then why are progs so afraid of change? Why are they opposed to granting flexibility to workers? Why are they opposed to school choice - not even wanting to try it? What are they opposed to real health care reform? If not fear of change, what's wrong with at least trying, and if it turns out to be a bad idea, undoing it next time you're in charge?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:36 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Trump, when he wasn't doing the Don Rickles act, campaigned on fixing well documented economic and foreign policy problems.
Is this a serious statement? Trump's campaign was a master class in exploiting populous fear.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:39 pm to Pocket Kingz
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Trump's campaign was a master class in exploiting populous fear.
Frustrations, not fear.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:41 pm to Pocket Kingz
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Is this a serious statement? Trump's campaign was a master class in exploiting populous fear.
His slogan was MAGA. He promised to fix the Obamacare mess and rebuild the manufacturing base. Those are positives. (We'll see if it pans out.)
He did a lot of insults - Little Marco, Lyin Ted, Low Energy Jeb, Crooked Hillary - but bombast is not fearmongering.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 10:10 pm to volod
Yes. Moderate Dems will become Republicans and the new generations will lean to the left.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 10:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:the most obvious answer to this is the normal political shite that both parties engage in. if one says water is wet the other will insist its dry. doesn't matter which is which, they'll go back and forth.
Then why are progs so afraid of change? Why are they opposed to granting flexibility to workers? Why are they opposed to school choice - not even wanting to try it? What are they opposed to real health care reform?
a better answer would be that these are simply bad ideas or ideas with either no plan or a terrible one behind it. just like the ACA was.
Im all for universal health care, but the way that legislation was written and carried out exemplifies everything bad about government. there are dozens of successful models around the world that we could have learned from but our congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists, so naturally we took a simple idea and fricked it up beyond belief.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 7:05 am
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