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re: Director of CDC says e-cigs are a tobacco product (despite no tobacco)
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:44 pm to AU66
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:44 pm to AU66
Nicotine is what they are currently ranting about due to its' addictive nature. They argue it's a billion (ok, not quite) more times addictive than heroin. I'm not going to debate that with them. Nicotine IS addictive.
I'm just saying, what's their argument for those that don't contain an addictive component or present health risks to innocent by-standers?
I have heard that there are some cases of respiratory issues from e-cigs. I wonder if those risks come from poor ingredients in the cheaper products that don't have on-site labs for QC control. OhMyMedicalGrind can probably offer better insight here.
I'm just saying, what's their argument for those that don't contain an addictive component or present health risks to innocent by-standers?
I have heard that there are some cases of respiratory issues from e-cigs. I wonder if those risks come from poor ingredients in the cheaper products that don't have on-site labs for QC control. OhMyMedicalGrind can probably offer better insight here.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:46 pm to LSUGrrrl
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My e-cigs contain 0% nicotine & I have the lab results for every cartridge to back that up. Why should it be taxed as a tobacco product if it isn't a true tobacco product or even a direct competitor of one? Big tobacco doesn't offer me a comparative product.
They shouldn't be taxed as tobacco. Well, because e-cigs are not tobacco.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:48 pm to AU66
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E-cigs have 0 carconogenics…nicotine does not cause cancer, everything I've read is everything in a vapor cig is completely safe, if anything had been found the anti- smoking nazis would be screaming from the high heavens, nothing has been found that i can find that is the least bit harmful…but if anyone can please feel free to fill me in because i use them.
I've used them as well for over a year now. Haven't touched a cigarette since. While they have to be much safer than cigarettes (the head of the American Lung Association said they were 95% safer) I still believe there has to be some drawbacks in the long term. Second hand vapor, however, has got to be harmless.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:50 pm to AU66
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I've read is everything in a vapor cig is completely safe,
Right. It's the same vector agents given to respiratory patients to administer medicines like antibiotics, steroids, etc.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:50 pm to GumboPot
But many - most, even - do contain nicotine, a by-product of tobacco. We could get technical and say that nicotine can be found in up to 19 other plant sources, but tobacco farming is the main source of nicotine today.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:53 pm to Al Dante
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I've used them as well for over a year now. Haven't touched a cigarette since. While they have to be much safer than cigarettes (the head of the American Lung Association said they were 95% safer) I still believe there has to be some drawbacks in the long term. Second hand vapor, however, has got to be harmless.
I started with high nicotine cartridges, bumped down to medium after a week, then low for a few weeks. Now, all of mine have 0 addictive properties. I quite enjoy smoking but I have a kid to stay alive for and I'm too vain to age like a smoker. This product meets a need in society.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:54 pm to GumboPot
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Right. It's the same vector agents given to respiratory patients to administer medicines like antibiotics, steroids, etc.
Yes it is. But I puff on mine maybe 200 times a day. Everyday. I don't think you can compare the health risks of the vector agent of someone taking antibiotics or steroids for a few weeks to someone who does it consistently day after day for a considerable period of time.
I use the e-cig, feel better and all. I just wish there were more studies about them.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:57 pm to Al Dante
:PAGIHG OHMYMEDICALGRIND:
He offered some studies about the respiratory concerns the last time we had this conversation. Right around election time, I think.
He offered some studies about the respiratory concerns the last time we had this conversation. Right around election time, I think.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:57 pm to LSUGrrrl
i quit cigarettes 6 years ago and was never truly happy about it, The weight gain that started immediately causing the inevitable high blood pressure. Then i found the vaps, as of now theres n reason to quit, i love it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:58 pm to Al Dante
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Yes it is. But I puff on mine maybe 200 times a day. Everyday. I don't think you can compare the health risks of the vector agent of someone taking antibiotics or steroids for a few weeks to someone who does it consistently day after day for a considerable period of time.
You're prolly right.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:59 pm to weagle99
I'm smoking a Marlboro right now.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:59 pm to LSUGrrrl
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This product meets a need in society.
Indeed they do. Lorillard and Altria, 2 cig manufacturers, are jumping in the e-cig lake. I've bought their stock on the theory that ecigs will replace cigs. Lorillard bought an ecig company, blu, and sees stellar growth in the ecig market. Altria is looking for companies to gobble up.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:59 pm to weagle99
I was hoping someone would eventually start a thread on e cigs in here. After being a pack a day smoker who started in college (because of drinking) I have now been cigarette free since January. I am somewhat of an enthusiast and I definitely believe the "hobby" like aspect of it has contributed to me quitting cigarettes. This is happening in the lives of millions of people across the country and around the world... Blood oxygen levels return to normal, blood pressure returns to what a coffee drinker would have, and all the tar and chemicals leave the lungs. I feel 100% better on a daily basis. I'm not sure why anyone would want to ban this technology... Except for governments and massive cigarette companies who are already losing billions in profits and tax receipts. Yes, we should label ingredients, use child proof caps, and other common sense regulations, but the FDA is about to make it prohibitively expensive to produce them whatsoever. Also, many states are attempting to subject them to the same taxes as tobacco, effectively eliminating the cost saving aspect of vaping. It's easy to wave it off if you were never a smoker, but this product is changing the lives of millions for the better.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:02 pm to Al Dante
good thinking Al, your correct, i work for a company that sells several brands of E-cigs, unless the govt intrudes within 15 yrs, cigarettes will be an oddity
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:04 pm to Doosh606
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I'm not sure why anyone would want to ban this technology... Except for governments and massive cigarette companies who are already losing billions in profits and tax receipts.
The cigarette companies are jumping into the ecig market. Lorillard bought Blu and Altria bought King, I think. They are not against e-cigs and see it as a way to deliver nicotine to the addicted without all the headaches of tar and carcinogens. They love this product.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:05 pm to Doosh606
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Doosh606
...never going to work out that way. Waaaay too much common sense.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:05 pm to Al Dante
Blu's not a bad product line. I use vapor culture which is the same company as V2 cigs but marked up high and comes in all kinds of pretty colors & jewels 
They are making a killing.
I agree that e-cigs can be the future but all companies will have to follow V2's example & offer lab results for all cartridges. There does need to be some accountability for manufacturers. Some of those cheaper cigs are just as bad for you.
They are making a killing. I agree that e-cigs can be the future but all companies will have to follow V2's example & offer lab results for all cartridges. There does need to be some accountability for manufacturers. Some of those cheaper cigs are just as bad for you.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:07 pm to LSUGrrrl
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There does need to be some accountability for manufacturers.
Absolutely.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:08 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Blu's not a bad product line.
I've tried Njoy. I kind of like their concept of being disposable and not having to worry about recharging your cigarette or filling it with flavor.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:10 pm to GumboPot
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I've tried Njoy
That's the one i started with as well.
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