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re: Cool Video Describing Ancient Christian Liturgy
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:08 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:08 pm to RobbBobb
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Protestants eventually broke free from their control over Christ's teachings and brought back immersive baptism, tongues, healing, interpretations, etc. All found in the book of the acts of the apostles. The ACTS of the Apostles.
and 30 thousand different interpretations of the true teachings of the Church Jesus started. Jesus wanted us to be of one mind on his teachings and left his teachings in the hands of the apostles who handed it down.
There are only two christian churches that are apostolic the eastern orthrodox and the roman catholics.
Every other christian church was started by someone after the 1500's. So if you can find for me in the bible where it says that Martin Luther was to start Jesus church and jesus was to wait 1500 years before he started his church. then ill listen to what you believe.
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:25 pm to TIGA 80
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The church didnt conduct the inquistion as it was mostly the civil authorities.
Look, its obvious youve bought what the Catholics have sold you. I understand. My family was all Catholic until about 1965. All you have to do is read the story of Galileo to know how evil the first church was
* He was interrogated multiple time by clerics, not civil authorities
* He was found guilty by clerics, not civil authorities
* It was only then that he was sentenced to confinement until his death by civil authorities, only after clerics told them to do so
* The church also banned his completely accurate books, so they could continued lying about their actions
And Galileo was 100% right, while the clerics lied thru their teeth about their divine guidance in the matter. God never spoke to a single one of them about silencing Galileo. They used their unquestioned power to do so
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to check unbridled spirits, [the Holy Council] decrees that no one relying on his own judgement shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which the holy mother Church... has held or holds...
— Decree of the Council of Trent
That aint the inquisition. Thats a Catholic council condemning actual reality
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Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the most respected Catholic theologians of the time, was called on to adjudicate the dispute between Galileo and his opponents.
Again, not the Inquisition
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In addition to Bellarmine, Monsignor Francesco Ingoli initiated a debate with Galileo, sending him in January 1616 an essay disputing the Copernican system.
More accusations by church leaders
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On February 19, 1616, the Inquisition asked a commission of theologians, known as qualifiers. On February 24 the Qualifiers delivered their unanimous report: the proposition that the Sun is stationary at the centre of the universe is "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture"; the proposition that the Earth moves and is not at the centre of the universe "receives the same judgement in philosophy; and ... in regard to theological truth it is at least erroneous in faith."
Theologians found him guilty, before sending him to the inquisition
You supporting that vindictive level of ministry, is all Protestants need to know
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:31 pm to TIGA 80
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So if you can find for me in the bible where it says that Martin Luther was to start Jesus church and jesus was to wait 1500 years before he started his church. then ill listen to what you believe.
I think Christ took care of that. And just because you chose Peter as your first pope, doesnt mean he was. He never even went to Rome
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Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:33 pm to RobbBobb
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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
As you said
260 child sex abuse cases per year by Protestant Preachers
statistics of Protestant sexual abuse on church grounds no less
Over 7,000 claims of sexual abuse by church staff, congregation members, volunteers, or the clergy were made to just three insurance companies over a 20-year period
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:19 pm to RobbBobb
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For 1500 years the word of God was sacredly preserved by the Catholic Church
Thats because the Catholic Church interrogated, tortured, and killed people that dared question them. Even if they were 100% right about what they were teaching (see Galileo). Thats really not something to gloat about, my friend. Thats just like the saducees and pharisees rejoicing that they got rid of Jesus and his followers, with the help of the Romans
Actually Orthodoxy preserved that Word and are right and didn't imprison Galileo. So there's that. So where does that leave us?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:36 pm to 62zip
dont know whats the big deal about galileo but here is the story on him.
an explanatioin of the church and galileo
interesting read concerning the times and the other scientist who were studying the same thing. galileo's problem seem to be arrogance without a definitive proof which the technology of the time didnt allow him to fully prove.
an explanatioin of the church and galileo
interesting read concerning the times and the other scientist who were studying the same thing. galileo's problem seem to be arrogance without a definitive proof which the technology of the time didnt allow him to fully prove.
Posted on 4/26/25 at 12:38 am to TIGA 80
Man, youve become unhinged
Ya know Peter had a wife, right? Therefore he couldn't have been the pope. More lies the Catholics made up
Also, Paul said to be a bishop, you had to be married
And even touches on the not drinking wine thing. Even at communion
Ya know Peter had a wife, right? Therefore he couldn't have been the pope. More lies the Catholics made up
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And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
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Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
Also, Paul said to be a bishop, you had to be married
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1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
And even touches on the not drinking wine thing. Even at communion
Posted on 4/26/25 at 10:45 am to RobbBobb
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Ya know Peter had a wife, right? Therefore he couldn't have been the pope. More lies the Catholics made up
That makes zero sense. Why would that have prevented him from founding a church in Rome just like he did in Antioch?
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Also, Paul said to be a bishop, you had to be married
That's not what it says. It's a prohibition on polygamy, obviously.
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And even touches on the not drinking wine thing. Even at communion
That's what you get from that passage? Unreal.
So you're in the Welch's crowd also?
Posted on 4/26/25 at 11:20 am to 62zip
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So you're in the Welch's crowd also?
So you want alcoholics that have been on the wagon for years, to step up and drink once a week, because a pope mandated it? When Christ himself used the term "fruit of the vine". Your creator laughs at you
But maybe you should actually pay attention to what your religion believes, because they no longer agree with you
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Mustum, which is grape juice that is either fresh or preserved by methods that suspend its fermentation without altering its nature (for example, freezing), is valid matter for the celebration of the Eucharist. - National Catholic Register
This is why there are Protestants. Catholics have become a punchline
Posted on 4/26/25 at 1:56 pm to RobbBobb
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So you want alcoholics that have been on the wagon for years, to step up and drink once a week, because a pope mandated it? When Christ himself used the term "fruit of the vine". Your creator laughs at you
So you still haven't answered my question, but since I'm not Catholic, I really couldn't care less what some pope did or did not mandate, but anyhow it's Christ who mandated it. Since you protestants like to phrase it like this, where in scripture does it say that the Lord used wine at the Passover meal (that's what Jews do, you know), but let's go ahead and use Welch's for the Eucharist since there might be an alcoholic or two out there.
That being said, you do know that it is possible for Catholics to receive the Eucharist solely via a Host and they can bypass the chalice, right? I'm not sure I completely understand how that works, but that's a matter for the Catholics.
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But maybe you should actually pay attention to what your religion believes, because they no longer agree with you
Enlighten me, tell me what it is that "my religion no longer believes." What is it that "they no longer agree with me on"?
You know noting about be or anything about my faith, but like a typical arrogant protestant you will presume to go ahead and tell me anyhow.
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This is why there are Protestants. Catholics have become a punchline
I couldn't really care less about either, since my Church has maintained the faith given to us by the Lord, through his Apostles since 33 A.D., neither of y'all can say that.
Oh and is there some reason you just passed right over the Peter and Paul stuff?
This post was edited on 4/26/25 at 1:57 pm
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