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re: Comey Admits He Knew Democrats Financed ‘Pee’ Dossier Before FISA Warrant Signoff

Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:53 am to
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:53 am to
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But really. When did who tipped off the FBI become a reason for them to investigate crimes or not?




Haha

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:31 am to
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the only thing in the Dossier that had any relevance to the FISA warrant was whether or not Page was acting as an agent for a foreign power.


They had no PC. I could scribble “Tex ridder is a kiddie diddler” on a piece of paper. That doesn’t make it credible intelligence. The provenance of the dossier and the tactics used to make it appear credible matter, which is why it was never disclosed to the FISA court - something Schiff got caught lying about. Even CNN wouldn’t report on it.

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ince they had Halper, why would they have needed to do any of the things you (and Nunes) claim they did if they had Halper's backup on Page?


Huh??? They had a spy watching Page for months, yet they still had to conceal who financed the dossier and lie to the FISA court about the source of the issikoff article? Halper’s spying yielded Dick on Page. That’s the point. There was no PC because Page was never a fricking Russian spy you dolt. So they twisted and mangled the dossier into “intelligence” to get their warrants and spy on the campaign.

The cat is out of the bag. You are the only idiot still pretending this was by the book.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 8:52 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:32 am to
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The information has largely turned out to be true


Dafuq?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:33 am to
did the FISA warrant application provide probable cause to believe that that Page was an agent of a foreign power.
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You are the only idiot still pretending this was by the book.
Maybe that's because I'm the only idiot who has read the FISA warrant statute and is therefore not distracted by all Nunes inspired rabidity about ALL of the allegations in the Dossier, and instead, is just looking at the allegations in the Dossier that are relevant to the issuance of a FISA warrant, which requires the following:

50 U.S. Code § 1805 - Issuance of order

(a) Upon an application made pursuant to section 1804 of this title, the judge shall enter an ex parte order as requested or as modified approving the electronic surveillance if he finds that—
on the basis of the facts submitted by the applicant, there is probable cause to believe that—
(A) the target of the electronic surveillance is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power:


That is what is required. Plain and simple. The Dossier, other than the sections dealing with Page's contacts with Russia, is immaterial to the question of the legitimacy of the issuance of the Page FISA warrant.

The only question is: did the FISA warrant application provide probable cause to believe that that Page was an agent of a foreign power.

I assume, as apparently you do as well, that the DOJ had the evidence gained through Halper's interview with the loquacious Page the week after he spoke at the conference in Moscow.

I also assume that Halper's Page information is contained in the redacted portions of the warrant application.

I say the warrant provided probable cause to believe that Page was an agent for a foreign power -- end of story.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93338 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:36 am to
Are you still trying to defend this situation?

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:40 am to
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The only question is: did the FISA warrant application provide probable cause to believe that that Page was an agent of a foreign power.



Link us to the parts of the Dossier that show us that Page is a Russian spy, then link us the the verification of that intelligence. You keep ignoring the fact that they used the dossier to verify itself via illegal media leaks, then lied to the court about it. The dossier itself was worthless, paid for campaign smear.

You are badly missing the point, when you could just be honest for one and call a spade a spade.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:32 pm to
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You keep ignoring the fact that they used the dossier to verify itself via illegal media leaks, then lied to the court about it.

You keep ignoring the fact that the Dossier is not relevant except for the few instances that discuss Page and Russia.

You keep trying to push the discussion toward the Dossier as a whole. Why is that?
Posted by Bunyan
He/Him
Member since Oct 2016
20931 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:33 pm to
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You keep ignoring the fact that the Dossier is not relevant except for the few instances that discuss Page and Russia.

You keep trying to push the discussion toward the Dossier as a whole. Why is that?


McCabe said there would be no FISA warrant if not for the Steele Dossier...so yea
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:34 pm to
It is either that or PapaD starting the witch hunt.

You lose either way.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:23 pm to
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You keep ignoring the fact that the Dossier is not relevant except for the few instances that discuss Page and Russia.

You keep trying to push the discussion toward the Dossier as a whole. Why is that?



10/10

Excellent trolling.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:40 pm to
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McCabe said there would be no FISA warrant if not for the Steele Dossier...so yea

No. That's what Nunes' memo said Mccabe said.

And McCabe has denied that was his testimony, saying that Nunes and Republicans have mischaracterized his testimony.

Since the Republicans have resisted releasing McCabe's testimony, one might surmise that is true.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:13 pm to
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You keep ignoring the fact that the Dossier is not relevant except for the few instances that discuss Page and Russia.

You keep trying to push the discussion toward the Dossier as a whole. Why is that?


Because nothing in it is intelligence, you rube. Steele wont stand behind it, the media wouldn't report on it, and the FBI had to lie about its provenance. Ask yourself why? Because smear that political campaigns pay for is not intelligence. Nothing in it is actionable and we don't even fully understand the root sources, their motivations, or whether they were paid by Steele. The bits about Page are no more reliable or verifiable than the piss stories. If they were, the FBI wouldn't have had to create its own bogus verification for it.

You are being so intentionally obtuse, its unbelievable.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:22 pm to
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Nothing in it is actionable and we don't even fully understand the root sources, their motivations, or whether they were paid by Steele. The bits about Page are no more reliable or verifiable than the piss stories. If they were, the FBI wouldn't have had to create its own bogus verification for it.


For emphasis, I'm quoting this.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:31 pm to
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No. That's what Nunes' memo said Mccabe said.

And McCabe has denied that was his testimony, saying that Nunes and Republicans have mischaracterized his testimony.

Since the Republicans have resisted releasing McCabe's testimony, one might surmise that is true.


This is why these exchanges with you are pointless. We have a classic he said/she said here. You always believe the D, even though hes a known liar, leaker, and disgraced Clintonista. You waste your days here defending slime.


This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:18 am to
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This is why these exchanges with you are pointless. We have a classic he said/she said here. You always believe the D, even though hes a known liar, leaker, and disgraced Clintonista. You waste your days here defending slime.
It's simple. Release the transcript. And, while they're at it, release the FISA warrant application. Then there's no he said/she said.

What do you think?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 9:52 am to
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Nothing in it is actionable and we don't even fully understand the root sources, their motivations, or whether they were paid by Steele. The bits about Page are no more reliable or verifiable than the piss stories. If they were, the FBI wouldn't have had to create its own bogus verification for it.

For emphasis, I'm quoting this.

For emphasis, I'm asking why Trump won't release the entire FISA warrant?

The mid term election excuse is over. Why won't he release it?

What do you think the reason is?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46068 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:38 am to
I think I’m done with you. You have never been interested in real political debate.

You are only here to shill for Democrats, no matter how absurd the argument, no matter how long it takes. You are a cockroach.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 10:40 am
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