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Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:24 pm to DeusVultMachina
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Soviet Russia was not a global threat?
Hmmmm.
In 1940? Of course not. They wouldn’t have even been able to defend themselves from the Germans if it weren’t for US support, in their own massive country.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:29 pm to BayouBlitz
Day 1075: Still melting.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:32 pm to troyt37
Germany was not a global threat in 1940 either.
You should read about the combat logistics analysis of his own generals that shot down operation sea lion.
You should read about the combat logistics analysis of his own generals that shot down operation sea lion.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:47 pm to troyt37
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And the Bolsheviks who took over Russia, did so from 1917-1923. Your quote is talking about Nazi Germany, in the late 30's to December 1941, when the US entered the war, and is an indisputable fact. The Bolsheviks may have been a greater threat to Russians, but the Nazis were a much greater threat to the entire world.
BOOM! TRUTH!
Where are these fricking children getting their history lessons from??????????
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:49 pm to DeusVultMachina
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Germany was not a global threat in 1940 either.
You should read about the combat logistics analysis of his own generals that shot down operation sea lion.
OMFG!!!!!!!
Are you really this STUPID?????????
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Unternehmen Seelöwe
THIS is the German name for Operation Sea Lion that you referenced.
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both the German Army and Navy undertook a major programme of preparations for an invasion: training troops, developing specialised weapons and equipment, and modifying transport vessels. A large number of river barges and transport ships were gathered together on the Channel coast, but with Luftwaffe aircraft losses increasing in the Battle of Britain and no sign that the Royal Air Force had been defeated, Hitler postponed Sea Lion indefinitely on 17 September 1940 and it was never put into action.
THIS is the reason sea lion was never put in to action.....it is mainly because of the miraculous rescue of over 300,000 soldiers from Dunkirk, and the equally miraculous and brave fight by the RAF against the Luftwaffe..... British Spitfires and Hurricanes, vastly outnumbered, thwarted and defeated the German Air Force who bombed and attempted to bomb Britain incessantly during the "Blitz."
Go back to school and study more, son. Germany WAS a global threat, and they DID have the capacity to attempt an invasion on Britain and Britain was fighting from its knees with it's lower legs chopped off at the time without the United States in the war yet (besides sending them supplies)....
Germany ceased to become a global threat when Hitler made the stupid decision to quit attacking Britain, and instead, awhile later opted for attacking Russia. At the moment he made the decision for Operation Barbarossa, Germany was doomed.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 12:12 am
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:50 pm to geaux88
Nazi germany had no global reach. This is fantasy.
Where are you getting your history lessons, that you believe the surge of Soviet Russia and explosive spread of communism to have been a desirable outcome?
Where are you getting your history lessons, that you believe the surge of Soviet Russia and explosive spread of communism to have been a desirable outcome?
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:52 pm to geaux88
Lay off your caps lock key and the insults. This can be a good discussion if you can chill a bit.
I suspect troyt may also be a WWII history buff like myself. I don't know your background though.
I suspect troyt may also be a WWII history buff like myself. I don't know your background though.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:14 am to DeusVultMachina
you seem so adorable. cute, actually.....
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:16 am to geaux88
Cool, care to contribute to discussion?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:21 am to DeusVultMachina
I'll start: Soviets are the greater longterm and ultimately global threat.
Do not include USSR in Lend-Lease program.
Force Germans and Russians to bleed each other dry. Russians likely ultimately win war of attrition with Nazis. Now US can militarily deal with Russians directly, we will have the bomb.
No cold war.
Do not include USSR in Lend-Lease program.
Force Germans and Russians to bleed each other dry. Russians likely ultimately win war of attrition with Nazis. Now US can militarily deal with Russians directly, we will have the bomb.
No cold war.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:25 am to DeusVultMachina
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Lay off your caps lock key and the insults. This can be a good discussion if you can chill a bit.
I suspect troyt may also be a WWII history buff like myself. I don't know your background though.
Ok....I'll bite....thanks for your calm moderation and I apologize for my caps and insults....but I don't get how you think how Germany in 1940 wasn't a "global threat?" They certainly could have become a global threat had they taken over Britain then. I think the expediting of their downfall was the incredibly stupid decision to invade Russia. (besides the United States entering the war later).
I forgot to add, was the United States in 1940 considered a global power or threat? Our Navy and Army in 1940 were tiny.
Thanks again for being classy and better than me here, and I apologize again for my over enthusiastic vitriol....I won't delete any of it because I don't operate like that....
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 12:32 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:39 am to geaux88
You are correct that the Third Reich was extremely competent militarily. At the outset of hostilities, Germany had robustly recovered from depression era.
They possessed likely the best equipped and trained troops in the world, with the newest battle tactics for mechanized warfare never before utilized on such a scale. They are the O.G "Shock and Awe" masters.
They did not, however, have the capacity for global conquest. Indeed in 1940, upon the capitulation of France, Hitler and his generals contemplated operation sealion-- the land invasion of England. They found that they did not possess the materiel or logistics to make such a massive undertaking across the English Channel. They would require total air and sea superiority, which they could not attain.
In short, even at the height of Third Reich power, they could not pacify a weakened British Isles in their own european backyard.
They were not a threat to the US in terms of global or transoceanic conquest.
They possessed likely the best equipped and trained troops in the world, with the newest battle tactics for mechanized warfare never before utilized on such a scale. They are the O.G "Shock and Awe" masters.
They did not, however, have the capacity for global conquest. Indeed in 1940, upon the capitulation of France, Hitler and his generals contemplated operation sealion-- the land invasion of England. They found that they did not possess the materiel or logistics to make such a massive undertaking across the English Channel. They would require total air and sea superiority, which they could not attain.
In short, even at the height of Third Reich power, they could not pacify a weakened British Isles in their own european backyard.
They were not a threat to the US in terms of global or transoceanic conquest.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 12:41 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 12:57 am to DeusVultMachina
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You are correct that the Third Reich was extremely competent militarily. At the outset of hostilities, Germany had robustly recovered from depression era.
They possessed likely the best equipped and trained troops in the world, with the newest battle tactics for mechanized warfare never before utilized on such a scale. They are the O.G "Shock and Awe" masters.
Agree with you. totally.
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Indeed in 1940, upon the capitulation of France, Hitler and his generals contemplated operation sealion-- the land invasion of England
Again, mostly agree with you....but how will we ever know? If (I postulate/hypothesize) they were successful during the "Blitz" / Bombing of Britain, would they have attempted it?
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sea superiority,
I concede this point, which I have forgotten about....they never really had it.....
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In short, even at the height of Third Reich power, they could not pacify a weakened British Isles in their own european backyard.
I do see your point....and you probably realize better than I do that the German high command in 1940 knew that the British had over 130,000 troops stationed in Singapore which at the time they thought (maybe?) at the time the British could recall back to the Island....Of course, that's before the fighting with the Japanese got huge and Percival had to surrender to the Japanese in '42......
Having said that, let me ask you a question? Why didn't Churchill redeploy some of the troops stationed in Singapore considering the perceived threat from Germany right before and right after Dunkirk to defend the home Island?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 1:04 am to DeusVultMachina
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DeusVultMachina
Hey man, my wife flew out today and is visiting our daughter in DC so I'm a geographic bachelor right now, so, I indulged in an extra glass of wine and a beer; I apologize again for my over enthusiastic stupidity responding to you earlier. You are very obviously well informed.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 1:11 am to geaux88
No problem, man. Cheers!
I like talking about this stuff. WWII is fascinating in that there are lots of alternate history "what-ifs" to contemplate when you get into the nitty gritty details of military, economics, technological, and logisitical considerations of the time. Its not cut and dry at all, which makes it very interesting. Often we view it in the lens with which we first learned it (Nazis bad, USA rescues europe) but reality is of course way more complex and vividly detailed upon research.
I like talking about this stuff. WWII is fascinating in that there are lots of alternate history "what-ifs" to contemplate when you get into the nitty gritty details of military, economics, technological, and logisitical considerations of the time. Its not cut and dry at all, which makes it very interesting. Often we view it in the lens with which we first learned it (Nazis bad, USA rescues europe) but reality is of course way more complex and vividly detailed upon research.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 1:12 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 1:25 am to DeusVultMachina
Enjoyed talking with you after you pulled me off the ledge. I apologize again, and thank you for being gracious.
One thing maybe we can discuss some other time:
Why did Percival lose so bad in Singapore in '42?
He literally surrendered around 120-130,000 British soldiers to the Japanese. I get that the Brits didn't have the resources to rescue or support them, and the United States was JUST getting "ramped up" in the Pacific Theater.....but to surrender over 100k troops? Dang.
I would love to hear your perspective.....
One thing maybe we can discuss some other time:
Why did Percival lose so bad in Singapore in '42?
He literally surrendered around 120-130,000 British soldiers to the Japanese. I get that the Brits didn't have the resources to rescue or support them, and the United States was JUST getting "ramped up" in the Pacific Theater.....but to surrender over 100k troops? Dang.
I would love to hear your perspective.....
Posted on 10/19/19 at 10:31 am to DeusVultMachina
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Nazi germany had no global reach. This is fantasy.
They had all the global reach of any fighting force anywhere, maybe with the exception of aircraft carriers, but they had their little yellow friends for that, didn’t they?
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Where are you getting your history lessons, that you believe the surge of Soviet Russia and explosive spread of communism to have been a desirable outcome?
Nobody said it was a desirable outcome, it just wasn’t an existential threat in 1940, like Nazi Germany was.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 6:48 pm to geaux88
Excellent discussion! The early Pacific Theater is fascinating and rarely mentioned. Southeast asia-pacific Imperial Japanese conquest in the Thai, Singapore, Philippines, Malaya, and Borneo campaigns was brutal. Most of us don't focus on this aspect of war, only on American entry post 12/7/1941 and eventual Japanese downfall. Kudos to you, sir! This is important and "sets the stage."
Many don't know that ww2 for the Japanese started ten years before they bombed Pearl Harbor. They invaded Manchuria in 1931 and began their empire.
The answer is mostly that Britain at the end of the 1930s was an empire in crisis. The sun never set on their empire and pride and foolishness would not allow strategic withdrawal, even to protect the home isles. They would fail to predict japanese ambitions on their indo-pacific territories until it was far too late. The japanese code breakers had deciphered detailed messages regarding the tenuous defensive positions in Singapore. They coveted the british territories for strategic position and resource richness (OIL!) especially the colonial possessions of Borneo and Singapore.
An outnumbered Japanese invasion force utilized previously considered "impassable" jungle routes to outflank british defensive positions in a masterful swift campaign until it was "all over but the crying". It was such a shock campaign that there was never a consideration or possibility towards evacuating the 100,000+ british/australian/ghurka troops involved in the territorial defense.
Great question! We seriously need a war history board.
Many don't know that ww2 for the Japanese started ten years before they bombed Pearl Harbor. They invaded Manchuria in 1931 and began their empire.
The answer is mostly that Britain at the end of the 1930s was an empire in crisis. The sun never set on their empire and pride and foolishness would not allow strategic withdrawal, even to protect the home isles. They would fail to predict japanese ambitions on their indo-pacific territories until it was far too late. The japanese code breakers had deciphered detailed messages regarding the tenuous defensive positions in Singapore. They coveted the british territories for strategic position and resource richness (OIL!) especially the colonial possessions of Borneo and Singapore.
An outnumbered Japanese invasion force utilized previously considered "impassable" jungle routes to outflank british defensive positions in a masterful swift campaign until it was "all over but the crying". It was such a shock campaign that there was never a consideration or possibility towards evacuating the 100,000+ british/australian/ghurka troops involved in the territorial defense.
Great question! We seriously need a war history board.
This post was edited on 10/20/19 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/20/19 at 6:55 pm to troyt37
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They had all the global reach of any fighting force anywhere, maybe with the exception of aircraft carriers, but they had their little yellow friends for that, didn’t they?
Excellent point, troyt. However the Japanese Imperial Navy was not equipped for transoceanic conquest either. And as geaux88 so well pointed out, Japan and her navy were well occupied in regional conquest and consolidation at the time frame referenced. Germany was an ideological threat to US shores, at best. And for better or worse in that sense, Germany was on its own.
This post was edited on 10/20/19 at 6:56 pm
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