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re: CBS reporter goes to China to check out its economy and technology
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:37 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:37 pm to John Barron
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Please tell me you are being Sarcastic? If not, you have a severe mental disorder. Before I would say you were displaying Cognitive Dissonance but this is clearly something more than that. Delusional Disorder best case scenario and Schizophrenia worst case scenario
Soooooo with this and the rest of your posts…. You would be fine with the US having the same rules and standards for the workforce as China does?
Since they are sooo great and all…
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:09 pm to CleverUserName
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You would be fine with the US having the same rules and standards for the workforce as China does?
I don't live in China so can you explain to me the rules and standards for their workforce? I do see videos in China on Twitter and it seems like a functioning society.
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Since they are sooo great and all…
I never said they were "so great and all". I just posted a video of a CBS News Reporter riding in a Autonomous Flying Taxis. I didn't expect this amount of insecurity in the reactions. I will say what China has accomplished in the last 10 years has been very impressive. Are they perfect and have no flaws? Absolutely Not. But the last 10 years they have been very impressive, sticking my head in the sand and denying that reality doesn't change the actual facts.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 4:24 pm to John Barron
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I don't live in China so can you explain to me the rules and standards for their workforce? I do see videos in China on Twitter and it seems like a functioning society.
Don’t play stupid. You know damn well what the worker conditions in China are.
If you seriously do not… you just absolutely unqualified yourself to say anything believable about China. Plain and simple.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 5:17 pm to CleverUserName
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Don’t play stupid. You know damn well what the worker conditions in China are.
No I actually don't because I don't live there numbnuts. You know whose opinion I will trust more than yours? Tim Cook...the CEO of Apple
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This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 5/3/25 at 5:52 pm to SDVTiger
The difference is that they aren’t trying to plow through bureaucratic barriers so they can put the stolen tech to work. Just got back from Dubai last night. If you want to see what can be built with realistic regulations take a look at the time lapse of that place since 2016.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 6:20 pm to John Barron
Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, wouldn’t admit of the labor situation in China where the I phone is pumped out? Really?
Now that the fluff has been posted… let’s go forward.
UC Berkeley
A riot involving 2,000 workers at a factory in the northern Chinese city of Taiyuan on Sunday night has once again shined a light on conditions at factories owned by Apple Inc. supplier Foxconn. The cause of the riot appears to have been a fight between workers that somehow escalated into larger-scale unrest.
The success of the iPhone and similar products means competition among companies like Apple and Samsung, both of which rely heavily on Chinese factory supply chains, is likely to increase. This increase in competition, in turn, will crank up pressures in factories whose workers are already struggling under harsh conditions.
Recent reports have not only described the difficult conditions for full-time workers who are hired directly by these factories, but have also spotlighted the treatment of two other classes of employees– “dispatch labor” and “student interns”– in factories that manufacture components for both Apple and Samsung.
Earlier this year, China Labor Watch (CLW), a labor rights advocacy organization headquartered in New York City, investigated 10 facilities operated by Foxconn, an arm of Taiwanese multinational Hon Hai Precision Industries that employs almost 1 million workers. Foxconn factories produce electronic components for Apple and many other major foreign consumer technology companies. The CLW report (pdf) found “a variety of dangerous working conditions,” as well as unfair calculations of work time, low basic wages that compel acceptance of large amounts of overtime in order to have adequate income on which to live, very high work intensity, and failure to pay for social insurance, work-related injury insurance and other insurance required by law.
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Now that the fluff has been posted… let’s go forward.
UC Berkeley
A riot involving 2,000 workers at a factory in the northern Chinese city of Taiyuan on Sunday night has once again shined a light on conditions at factories owned by Apple Inc. supplier Foxconn. The cause of the riot appears to have been a fight between workers that somehow escalated into larger-scale unrest.
The success of the iPhone and similar products means competition among companies like Apple and Samsung, both of which rely heavily on Chinese factory supply chains, is likely to increase. This increase in competition, in turn, will crank up pressures in factories whose workers are already struggling under harsh conditions.
Recent reports have not only described the difficult conditions for full-time workers who are hired directly by these factories, but have also spotlighted the treatment of two other classes of employees– “dispatch labor” and “student interns”– in factories that manufacture components for both Apple and Samsung.
Earlier this year, China Labor Watch (CLW), a labor rights advocacy organization headquartered in New York City, investigated 10 facilities operated by Foxconn, an arm of Taiwanese multinational Hon Hai Precision Industries that employs almost 1 million workers. Foxconn factories produce electronic components for Apple and many other major foreign consumer technology companies. The CLW report (pdf) found “a variety of dangerous working conditions,” as well as unfair calculations of work time, low basic wages that compel acceptance of large amounts of overtime in order to have adequate income on which to live, very high work intensity, and failure to pay for social insurance, work-related injury insurance and other insurance required by law.
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From iPhones, to Bose headphones, to HP screens, to Amazon Kindles, it is no secret that parts of your electronics devices and domestic appliances can be manufactured and assembled in factories across coastal and inland China. When these products hit their record sales at the end of each year, workers in China work day and night for over 250 hours a month to complete demanding orders coming from the Global North.
Based on open source information, workers testimonies, and first-hand data from on-site investigations, this report presents an overview of working conditions in the consumer electronics industry in China as well as case studies of several factories that produce popular electronics products for top brands. Particularly, we want to point out how the vast oscillation of order volumes impacts labor conditions. The market boom associated with elevated product demand during peak season legitimizes the massive hiring and layoff of dispatch workers and promotes the use of excessive overtime and harsh working conditions that are left unregulated. This shows how factories and governments have created a labor regime where workers are forced to consent to disposability and give up their ability to demand for better.
For those who have a general knowledge of the working conditions at electronics factories in China, the problems identified in this report are nothing new. Low basic salary, excessive overtime, illegal use of student interns, hiring discrimination, deception from labor brokers, and high labor intensity are all present within this industry. Yet this time, we at China Labor Watch (CLW) witnessed the increasingly important role played by social media in creating and circulating information related to the factories. Factories and brokers use Douyin (Tiktok in domestic China) as a hiring channel, while workers also use Douyin to share first-hand experience working in these factories. Even at brokers’ hiring videos that present a factory solely in a positive light, in the comment area, one can see both present and former workers sharing the actual situation they experience that suggest otherwise. In October and November last year when Covid-19 outbreak, worker exodus and protest happened in Zhengzhou Foxconn, it was also through social media posts that the workers documented the incidents and shared with the general public what happened in the closed loop production zone to which outsiders had no access. All these inspired us to survey labor issues self-reported by workers on social media and explore new methods of factory investigation.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 5/3/25 at 6:39 pm to CleverUserName
Department of Labor
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Since 2016, the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has subjected Uyghurs and members of other predominantly Muslim ethnic minority groups in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) to genocide, state-imposed forced labor, and crimes against humanity. (1) The PRC officially recognizes 55 ethnic groups in addition to the Han majority. Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and other mostly Muslim minority groups are subjected to abuse and discrimination in places like the XUAR and elsewhere in the country. Uyghurs detained in camps and forced to work in factories must endure oppressive conditions. In one internment camp in Kashgar, Xinjiang, Uyghur detainees work as forced laborers to produce textiles. They receive little pay, are not allowed to leave, and have limited or no communication with family members. If family communication and visits are allowed, they are heavily monitored and can be cut short. When not working, the Uyghur workers must learn Mandarin and undergo ideological indoctrination. However, these abuses are not just limited to the XUAR. Beyond the XUAR, in the coastal Chinese province of Fujian, Uyghur workers at a factory in Quanzhou face similar abuses. They are made to live in separate dormitories from Han workers, surrounded by an iron gate and security cameras. Uyghurs often work longer hours than their Han co-workers. When finished for the day, the Uyghur workers are escorted back to their dormitories by provincial police officers from the XUAR – not Fujian. The local police say the roll call is to ensure no one is missing. However, Uyghur workers at this factory cannot exercise their free will to leave the premises. Even if they could leave, local police have confiscated their identification materials.
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In February 2024, the International Labor Organization (ILO) issued updated guidance on state-imposed forced labor, which it refers to forms of forced labor imposed by state authorities, agents acting on behalf of state authorities, and organizations with authority similar to the state. (2) Different forms of state-imposed forced labor utilized by the PRC government in the XUAR include prison labor, the “Vocational Skills Education and Training Centers” or reeducation centers, and transfers of non-detained rural “surplus” laborers into factory work, known as Poverty Alleviation Through Labor Transfer. (3) (4) Poverty Alleviation Through Labor Transfer involves local government agencies in the XUAR working directly with companies to relocate people from rural communities to industrial areas for employment, both inside the XUAR and throughout China. (3) The PRC government gives subsidies to companies moving to the XUAR and for employing Muslim-minority workers. (5) These practices heighten demand for members of Muslim and ethnic minority groups that the government wants placed in work assignments where they can be controlled and watched, receive Mandarin-Chinese language training, and undergo political indoctrination. (5) Once at a work placement, workers are usually subjected to constant surveillance and isolation. Given the vast surveillance state in the XUAR and the threat of detention, individuals have little choice but to endure these unspeakable labor and human rights abuses. (6) The Poverty Alleviation Through Labor Transfer program has continued to expand and is now Xinjiang’s primary coercive labor system, with labor transfers occurring more than 3 million times in 2022. (7)
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:08 pm to CleverUserName
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let’s go forward
You just linked a USAID U.S.-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit website

Grok 3 on China Labor Laws
Chinese Labor Laws and Standard Working Hours
Under the Labor Law of the People’s Republic of China (1994) and related regulations, the standard workweek is capped at 40 hours (8 hours per day, 5 days per week), with a maximum average of 44 hours per week to account for variations. Overtime is strictly regulated, limited to 3 hours per day and 36 hours per month, paid at 150% of normal wages for weekdays, 200% for rest days, and 300% for public holidays
Assuming a standard 40-hour workweek and approximately 4.33 weeks per month (52 weeks ÷ 12 months), the baseline monthly hours are:
40 hours/week × 4.33 weeks = ~173 hours/month.
With maximum overtime (36 hours/month), this could reach 173 + 36 = ~209 hours/month under legal limits.
A 250-hour work month would far exceed these legal caps, requiring an average of ~58 hours per week (250 ÷ 4.33), or roughly 11.5 hours per day over a 5-day week, 10 hours per day over a 6-day week, or 8.3 hours per day over a 7-day week with no rest days. This suggests either extreme overtime or non-compliance with labor laws.
Conclusion
Chinese workers, on average, work longer hours (204–212 hours/month) than U.S. workers (148–176 hours/month for full-time employees), driven by weaker enforcement, cultural expectations, and systemic overtime in factories and tech. Both countries face overwork challenges, but China’s higher averages and extreme cases reflect greater intensity
I am not arguing China workers don't work more hours than we do. That is why they have accelerated and advanced in the last 10 years. Hard work pays off. Like Tim Cook said, they have a higher manufacturing skill base now
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:11 pm to John Barron
That is equivolent to what Katy Perry and her heroes did.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:14 pm to John Barron
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You just linked a USAID U.S.-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit website
And you posted a video of the CEO who wants to sell phones to the masses and has to paint a rosy picture. And STILL using his words.
And I also quoted the US Department of Labor. Surprisingly you missed that one.
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