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re: Can someone give me cliff notes on Census ruling? What argument was "a lie"?

Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:48 pm to
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The citizenship question hasn't been asked in previous censuses to my knowledge.


it's been a while but it has been asked in the past

Posted by LSU2ALA
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:50 pm to
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I'll ask again, how does voting rights act not "pass the smell test"? Don't US citizens deserve to have their vote protected from nullification by an illegal? As stated above, voting rights act is used to argue against things like voter ID. This is a far better and more straight forward use of "voter rights"...you know, for actual US Citizens voting legally and all


It doesn’t pass the smell test because the VAR is not the reason. They had to threaten the DOJ that they would go to Sessions if they didn’t go along with that reason. Given that, the DOJ agreed; however, Commerce said the DOJ was the one asking for the question to be included but the evidence showed that Commerce strong armed them into it. If the DOJ genuinely said they needed it for the VAR, then the court said it would have been fine.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:50 pm to
The Roberts opinion is actually infuriating. The entire thing talks about how the reason offered is reasonable and was well-researched. It says there is nothing odd about policymakers having preconceived beliefs and then finding a legal way to implement that belief and nothing was particularly untoward about how Ross went about the citizenship question. Then in the final paragraph or two Roberts says oh, but we think he is lying about the VRA, even though he has evidence for using this justification, so it's remanded.
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:52 pm to
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Haven't been following this particular case much, but there is an argument to be made that asking the citizenship question will give us an inaccurate count overall. This is because no illegal is going to answer the question - they will simply avoid the census.


Well counting illegals impacts US Citizens. It's not just used for headcount. It determines house seats, funding, etc.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:57 pm to
It's pretty easy to come up with a good reason.

We need to know how many ICE agents to budget for and how many deportation judges.

Boom!
Posted by kcon70
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 7:11 pm to
The argument that John Roberts is a Republican?
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