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re: Anti-Fracking Hysteria Hits St. Tammany Parish
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:49 pm to lsuroadie
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:49 pm to lsuroadie
quote:Studies funded by who?
for every link you post bemoaning the big bad fracking monster....I can post a hundred links to SCIENTIFIC studies saying exactly the opposite. hell, we could play that game all day.
quote:That's one source of problems: 1. It's too late for the residents at that point, isn't it? 2.They (energy companies) won't be.
if they were found to illegally dump any form of waste, whether its hydrocarbons, frack fluid, or contaminated mud...they should be held to the highest extent of the law.
quote:Exactly why it shouldn't be allowed close to large residential areas. There are also air pollution concerns as well, not just water pollution.
out of the thousands....tens of thousands of wells that are fracked each year...one or two MIGHT....MIGHT leak methane into a drinking reservoir? hell, it's not like we're fracking a field of roses...it's fricking hydrocarbons!!!!
quote:Yes, down there for 10mm years adjacent to their freaking drinking water without being disturbed by fracking, that's the problem.
it's been down there for 10mm years adjacent to their freaking drinking water and now people worry that it might come in contact with their drinking water...HELLO, Mcfly.
quote:Oh no, an extremism argument.
it's a ridiculous argument, if that's the case let's shut down all forms of energy production and let people pay $10 a gal for gas
quote:In an area not close to large neighborhoods, go ahead.
then they'll be begging us to frack.
quote:Not even sure what...
fracking is no more than pressuring up a hydrocarbon zone with soaps, gels and proppant...and yes every once in a while acids. if people think it can transmit from 2 miles below the earth into their drinking water at 25 foot...well, tell 'em to stick a fricking tap on their faucet and harvest all the oil and methane. tell 'em to watch out for the H2S stuff.
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:30 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:56 pm to BoudinJoe
I had to look long and hard to find who is responsible for the Energy in Depth website. Way down at the bottom of the page is a logo for the IPAA.
I'm not claiming the report you linked is wrong or biased. But the organization putting it out has an agenda just like the other side has an agenda, and anything they say should be viewed through that prism.
quote:
A key purpose of IPAA is advocacy for federal policies that promote the development and use of domestic petroleum and natural gas. IPAA interacts with both the legislative and executive branches of the federal government on issues affecting independent producers
I'm not claiming the report you linked is wrong or biased. But the organization putting it out has an agenda just like the other side has an agenda, and anything they say should be viewed through that prism.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:11 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
Yes, down there for 10mm years adjacent to their freaking drinking water without being disturbed by fracking
Natural seepage occurs everywhere. Our environment is in constant flux naturally.
quote:
There are also air pollution concerns as well, not just water pollution
you can't be serious. Workers are out at these sites daily and will be subject to the highest concentrations of any toxic gases. Natural mixing forces within the air will dilute any dangerous releases within a few meters in the open air. Again most of these chemicals are released into the open air naturally or through common transfer processes at a process unit at much higher concentration levels than any local would ever experience.
quote:
.They (energy companies) won't be.
yes they will be and have been many times.
quote:Depends on the type of release. But unlikely for this type of operation.
It's too late for the residents at that point, isn't it
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:17 pm to TejasHorn
quote:Those are oil wells and not NG.
we have a lot of old, rusting iron horses
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:19 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:I never thought you would be so irrational.
USMCTiger03
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:27 pm to C
quote:
you can't be serious. Workers are out at these sites daily and will be subject to the highest concentrations of any toxic gases.
Oh no.
LINK
quote:
May 19 — Initial government field studies on hydraulic fracturing operations suggest that workers could be exposed to hazardous levels of volatile hydrocarbons from used fracking fluids, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health said May 19.
At least four workers have died since 2010, apparently from acute chemical exposures during flowback operations, which involve transferring, storing and measuring fluids that return to the surface after fracking, NIOSH said in a blog post.
The institute assessed worker exposure to other chemicals mixed into fluids that are injected into the earth during fracking, said Max Kiefer, director of NIOSH Western States Office. Those findings will be detailed in later publications, including a peer-reviewed case study this summer, Kiefer said.
“But right now, the exposures of concern from a worker standpoint are from endogenous hydrocarbons that can be emitted from returned flowback fluids, not from other chemicals,” Kiefer told Bloomberg BNA May 19.
NIOSH highlighted how little is known about the potential health hazards associated with fracking, such as chemical exposure, in contrast to the well-developed knowledge about safety hazards from accidents common to oil and gas extraction.
More later, it's painful trying to do all this via tele.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:30 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
never thought you would be so irrational
Well then you don't know me very well, sir.
Seriously though, what is irrational? If I am coming across as solidly against it or possessing certainty on it, that is not my intention. Rather, to me it's a big unknown with propaganda on both sides and not worth the risk in a residential setting.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:35 pm to Jim Rockford
The report was from Penn State. It was merely posted on the EID website.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:35 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:Not really. Fracking has been going on since the forties. They were fracking Haynesville Shale wells up in Caddo Parish near some really nice neighborhoods with no issues. It's not like they come in with a rig and stay permanently. I would welcome a well near my house off Bootlegger anytime.
it's a big unknown
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:35 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
Oh no.
Isn't that what I said? Except you ignored the "open air" part. As the link points to, most were likely due to working alone in or around a confined space where hydrocarbons are stored. Most likely died of asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen rather than some type of poisonous effect.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:40 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:41 pm to C
Correct me if I'm wrong but the article mentions roughnecks. I didn't think they Fracked wells. They help set pipe.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 3:42 pm to USMCTiger03
Frac Focus
This website features the location and content of wells that have been frac'ed in the past several years. More data is in the process of being uploaded daily.
This website features the location and content of wells that have been frac'ed in the past several years. More data is in the process of being uploaded daily.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:30 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
I would welcome a well near my house off Bootlegger anytime.
You're not far from me. I would welcome a well on my property on Turnpike anytime as well.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:53 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
Jim Rockford
Agreed, but those things happen when any type of drilling is done incorrectly or with bad geological information.
And some of those issues have nothing to do with the drilling......illegal dumping is illegal dumping, not a fracking issue.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:48 pm to GeeOH
Sure, I'm not disputing that. Nor am I saying the fracking boom is a bad thing. But it brings some environmental and quality of life issues. One side probably exaggerates the problems, while the other side looks the other way and tends to downplay the legitimate issues.
North Dakota is unable to effectively regulate its oil boom, in part because it's gotten so big so fast, in part because there's so much money involved, and with money comes corruption. So among other things, what comes of that are these phantom waste dumpers with no way of finding out who they are, and not much in the way of enforcement even if they do identify them.
North Dakota is unable to effectively regulate its oil boom, in part because it's gotten so big so fast, in part because there's so much money involved, and with money comes corruption. So among other things, what comes of that are these phantom waste dumpers with no way of finding out who they are, and not much in the way of enforcement even if they do identify them.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:51 pm to Jim Rockford
The problem with the articles is that these issues are more about negligence and not about the actual technology.
As a person who supports the technology I am completely fine with more regulation on poor industry practices. The problem with the anti-frac'ing movement in St. Tammany and elsewhere is how uneducated these people are regarding the industry. There are plenty of resources available for the foundation of the technology that has been around for a very long time. The people in an uproar in St. Tammany are complaining about the wrong things and they aren't knowledgeable enough about the operations to target their issue on legit concerns.
In your articles they are referencing environmental spills, most likely poor cementing operations, and poor waste management. All of these things are not direct issues with frac'ing and more a issue with the people doing it or other operations.
As a person who supports the technology I am completely fine with more regulation on poor industry practices. The problem with the anti-frac'ing movement in St. Tammany and elsewhere is how uneducated these people are regarding the industry. There are plenty of resources available for the foundation of the technology that has been around for a very long time. The people in an uproar in St. Tammany are complaining about the wrong things and they aren't knowledgeable enough about the operations to target their issue on legit concerns.
In your articles they are referencing environmental spills, most likely poor cementing operations, and poor waste management. All of these things are not direct issues with frac'ing and more a issue with the people doing it or other operations.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:36 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Louisiana is different than N. Dakota. We have been drilling here for over a century.
North Dakota is unable to effectively regulate its oil boom, in part because it's gotten so big so fast,
Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:43 pm to jimbeam
quote:That is just super bullshite. That entire flaming water footage is nothing but a hoax. From the documentary (lol) "Gasland".
Some places where fracing " caused" flaming water, already had this ignitable water
They just don't tell you that in the propaganda movies
I attended the St. Tammany Parish Council meeting a few weeks ago when fracking was on the agenda. Yes - hysteria was in play. One of the anti-frackers actually sighted "Gasland" as a basis for her argument. Let me be clear - I have no problem with people being concerned about the water they drink, but get your asses out of the National Enquirer, for Christ's sake.
‘Gasland Part II’ director uses hoax as evidence against fracking
Here's the flip-sdie of Gasland: FrackNation. Mark Cuban owns it. HBO aired Gasland but declined to air FrackNation. Gasland's producer (Josh Fox) is on parr with Michael Moore in slickness and deception.
Sorry, but I just have a thing with people whose main platform is hysteria to debate an issue - regardless of the cause.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 7:03 pm
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