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A point on the hypocrisy of the left on Trumps travel ban and what it means

Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:03 pm
for the bigger picture.

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Where was the outrage when the refugee crisis was being created?

In 2011 the Obama administration toppled the Libyan government to prevent the creation of a gold backed currency aimed at becoming the new standard currency for middle east oil trading.

The CIA was sent in to back rebel groups who ended up having direct ties to Al-Queda, and then we used air-strikes to finish the job.

Prior to this intervention Libya had one of the highest standards of living in Africa. Even free health care, among many other provided benefits.



Today it's a lawless state overrun by violence -- which is obviously why the people are leaving.

In 2012 we began providing weapons and training to rebel groups in Syria to overthrow Assad -- with full knowledge that these weapons were going to anti-American groups.

There was also Yemin, where Obama supported the Saudi bombing campaign for over a year until we started doing it directly ourselves.

In 2016 the US dropped near 30,000 bombs in the countries that now providing the world with a refugee crisis.

If you take this info just on the level of "LOL at liberals, you hypocritical fricks", then you're missing the bigger picture, or at least you're failing to ask bigger questions and likely not re-shaping your view of America appropriately.

We do overthrow governments for our own purpose. We do falsely frame other leaders to justify our behaviors. We have willingly funded, armed, and trained terrorist groups in the middle east. And so on.

Were these decisions really what Obama wanted? Or were they dictated by the banking cartel? Are these types of actions really just built-into the job of the presidency? Libya starting a gold backed oil trading currency would be devastating to the western banking block.

Is there an agenda to disrupt culture around the world? Taking out strong cultural ties in places like Germany, the American South, and so on in an effort to make a global authoritarian government more palatable?

How easily does the media control both sides to get large groups of people to stick on other narratives about all of this instead of the narrative presented here?

This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5263 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:07 pm to
We, as Americans, willingly have our heads in the sand bc we're fat and happy.
We don't care or want to know why, until we run out of credit to buy the Big Macs and big tvs.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:24 pm to
I think decisions to preserve trading the dollar in USD are practically made for the President. Trading in a currency that isn't the dollar (or the euro, for that matter) would have devasting economic effects the world over. No major world leader wants that to occur. Thus, we fight and kill. And we throw in some humanitarian aid for good measure.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422465 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:27 pm to
there really isn't another option

the chinese manipulate their currency too much

this ain't the 80s, so the Japanese yen is no contender

the Euro doesn't even include the pound and they have had some severe economic issues pop up lately

we're the most stable country on earth, also
Posted by Abadeebadaba
LSU fan @ FSU
Member since Sep 2010
4983 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:33 pm to
quote:

In 2011 the Obama administration toppled the Libyan government to prevent the creation of a gold backed currency aimed at becoming the new standard currency for middle east oil trading.


Unless CNN laid it out for them just like this, they would never understand and quite frankly I doubt they would even care. People only get offended when they are told to be offended.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:36 pm to
Let's be fair. We did the same thing in 2003 under Bush and Republicans thought it was because of terrorism. The media said it was oil, but it was really oil trading just like it is in Libya.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422465 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:38 pm to
Obama following the Bush neocon war policy (admittedly on a much lesser scale) is going to taint judgment of his admin. his foreign policy was a consistent disaster. the libya/syria stuff showed how ignorant he was (or beholden he was, like Bush) post-Iraq. there was no excuse
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:47 pm to
I'm not following that response to cahoots.

Nothing you said was untrue.

But it has an element that manipulates context.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:48 pm to
quote:


Unless CNN laid it out for them just like this, they would never understand and quite frankly I doubt they would even care. People only get offended when they are told to be offended.



That goes both ways.

There are people inside a bubble on both sides of the political spectrum.
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