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Now that it's started, it can't be stopped: 16 team SEC

Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:52 pm
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:52 pm
I believe that there is now no way around it. The SEC must expand to 16 teams.

The SEC is built on traditional rivalries. A 14 team conference cannot keep those intact, as they require a 6 game commitment to each division, only allowing 2 games for cross division play. This creates a situation where schools with cross division rivalries (notably UGA/Auburn and Alabama/UT) might as well not even be in the same conference as other eastern teams, as they'd have a home and home every 12 years.

Abolishing cross division rivalries doesn't make the sparse play situation much better, as it creates a situation where traditional rivals like Auburn and Georgia could take 6-7 years to have a home and home.

In order to allow teams to continue to act as a conference, they must either continue to expand to 16 teams or go to a 9 game division schedule. The latter creates problems with home schedule incongruities, as well as decreasing the likelihood that lower tier schools make bowl games, so I don't imagine the institutions will acquiesce. However, a 16 team league allows schools to preserve all their rivalries in an 8 game conference schedule, all while turning around all home and homes in 8 years or less.

Here's how it works, in convenient map form:



Potential Schools are targets, WV and VT have a different symbol to note that this scenario could work with either of them.

SW Division: LSU, aTm, Ole Miss, Alabama
SE Division: Auburn, UGA, UF, FSU
NE Division: USC, Vanderbilt, UK, VT/WV
NW Division: Arkansas, MSU, UT, Mizzou

Each team has two cross division rivals, as follows:

quote:

LSU - UF, Arkansas
ATM - Mizzou, FSU
Ole Miss - MSU, UGA
Alabama - Alabama, UT

Auburn - Alabama, Vanderbilt
UGA - Ole Miss, USC
UF - LSU, UK
FSU - VT/WV, ATM

USC - UGA, MSU
Vanderbilt - UT, Auburn
UK - UF, Arkansas
WV/VT - FSU, Mizzou

Arkansas - LSU, UK
MSU - Ole Miss, USC
UT - Alabama, Vanderbilt
Mizzou - ATM, VT/WV



So each team would play (3) division games, (2) cross division rivals, and (3) games from each other division, which would create the 8 team scenario.

Teams that are geographically close but not in the same division, would play more often.. so while LSU and Auburn wouldn't be an every-year rivalry anymore, once every three years would still keep it heated. Teams would travel cross-conference less often, keeping travel costs potentially lower.

Conference champions would be determined one of two ways: Either a 4 team playoff (by NCAA approval) or by tiebreaker for the top 2 division champions. Everyone would have enough intertwined games to create a simple tiebreaker to determine.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:07 pm
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:53 pm to
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NE Division: USC, Vanderbilt, UK, VT/WV
NW Division: Arkansas, MSU, UT, Mizzou


What the frick?
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:54 pm to
some incongruities need to happen to preserve rivalries. that's what this is all about.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:55 pm to
You can do this with 14 teams too.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

You can do this with 14 teams too.


no, you can't... the math doesn't work
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

some incongruities need to happen to preserve rivalries. that's what this is all about.


And what rivalry is preserved by you failing geography?
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:57 pm to
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And what rivalry is preserved by you failing geography?



would you rather I named them leaders, legends, loremasters, and limbo?
Posted by WILDTURKEYisgood
Madisonville
Member since Aug 2010
3320 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:59 pm to
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And what rivalry is preserved by you failing geography?


I honestly thought he was referring to UTexas

vandy is definitely further west than Tenn
Posted by beast1513
Member since Dec 2010
21 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:59 pm to
What about Auburn vs Bama rivalry?
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:00 pm
Posted by PRK
Member since Sep 2009
9142 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

would you rather I named them leaders, legends, loremasters, and limbo?



Absofrickinglutely
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:00 pm to
quote:

What about Auburn vs Bama rivalry?


oops, fixed
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:05 pm
Posted by PRK
Member since Sep 2009
9142 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

baytiger


LSU keeps its "rivalry" with Arkansas but loses the UF game? frick that.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:05 pm to
Will not read; too fricking WIDE.

Photoshop "Resize" is your friend.
Posted by texmariner84
H-town
Member since Aug 2011
556 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:06 pm to
This... Well done...
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:07 pm to
sorry, fixed
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:07 pm to
quote:


LSU keeps its "rivalry" with Arkansas but loses the UF game? frick that.
we'd lose auburn, not uf... auburn has to play bama

but we'd still play bama every 3 years
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:08 pm
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80270 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:10 pm to
4 divisions will never happen
Posted by Hoya Saxa
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
480 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

So each team would play (3) division games, (2) cross division rivals, and (3) games from each other division, which would create the 8 team scenario.
To be smart enough to figure this out, you must have attended an academically superior Big 10 research university.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:14 pm to
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To be smart enough to figure this out, you must have attended an academically superior Big 10 research university.


which explains my geography

(I didn't actually go to a big 10 school)
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:14 pm to
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4 divisions will never happen



It will have to in a 16 team conference, and a 14 team conference won't work in the long haul
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