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re: When is it safe to hunt your pup? (Gator Related)

Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:15 pm to
judge how warm is it in the pic with that vest?
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

You can still take him and do short retrieves and to get dead birds.


If you put out decoys every morning, you can generally run all the gators out of a pond just from the ruckus you make but then again if your gators are dead duck robbers then you might have an issue.
Posted by MrJudgeSmails
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:05 pm to
It was hot, I had just bought a new one that day and tried it out for a bit on him before seeing where I needed to trim it.

Edit: this was at my parans pond in MS, so we weren’t worried about gators if that was where you were headed w/ your question
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:43 pm to
quote:


Edit: this was at my parans pond in MS, so we weren’t worried about gators if that was where you were headed w/ your question


no.. just it looked pretty hot for a vest
Posted by cbiscuit
Member since Dec 2013
873 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:20 pm to
PSA to other hunters, please don't let any dogs ride on the bow this weekend.

Witnessed a friend run over a great dog of his after hitting our wake, one of the worst experiences of my life.
Posted by Athletix
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:29 pm to
I'll be taking my dog this weekend. As said above I will keep her close. No long retrieves, no retrieves in vegetation and no deep water. I scouted and found a spot where we can push our boat about 150 yards in about a 6"-1' deep pond. Anything that falls close she'll go get. If it falls further than 50 yards away in the open water, I'll accompany her on the retrieve. I'm a little worried right now, but I'll be very vigilant once on the hunt.

Hunt your dog. Just be smart
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:28 pm to
A nutria will go after a big dog?
Posted by cbiscuit
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:54 pm to
In my experience a dog starts it and a nutria can can cause damage, especially if they catch the gut.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:07 pm to
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A nutria will go after a big dog?
I saw one damned near kill a 100 lb plus lab half it's scalp was torn off - dog was ruined after that...
Posted by MrJudgeSmails
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:55 pm to
Damn, that is heartbreaking. Sorry for your pal.
Posted by chinhoyang
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:09 am to
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I saw one damned near kill a 100 lb plus lab half it's scalp was torn off - dog was ruined after that...


I didn't think a nutria would fight like that. I'm glad my Aussie is a good fighter (very quick). She's never gotten a scratch and she's killed some good sized raccoons and a lot of copperheads.

I'm glad I didn't put her on a nutria that I saw one day.

Posted by Boat Motor Bandit
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:58 am to
After this front passes tonight your good on Gators, watch those big nutria though. prolly more of a threat
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:16 pm to
I did have an odd encounter with a gator sunday. Went to spillway to work dog 1 and dog 2. Was letting puppy air out and fetch first ... once she got a little wound down and launcher threw one too far for her scope for now... Wanted to give older dog 3 open water blinds to start - so I chunked out two more and switched hounds....


send him out on 2 pretty long ones.. and.. as I am lining him up for dummy number 3.. I see him about a 9 footer that popped up out of nowhere about 40 yards from dummy. wind was favorable for dummy recovery later... so we just switched to another pond across the road(with cleaner more visible shorelines..LOL

the reptile in question then swam on the surface about 3/4 of a mile away and vanished in some canes......


made it a good teaching moment went from lining him up to NO BIRD NO BIRD.... thankfully he did not break......



This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted by MrJudgeSmails
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:31 pm to
I’m sitting here bugging out about alligators in November/December/January and just now realized we’ve been working in the spillway for the past few months without issue. I am not a smart man.

I guess l was more at ease out there since I’ve been told they regulate some of the ponds, but obviously there are always statistical outliers.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30600 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:43 pm to
dude like I have said, there is a risk in everything we do with our hounds... In my 40 years around bird dogs I have seen or heard about more getting shot when they break than gators...

the list of tragedies Ive seen befall hounds afield is really too long to list.. but...

in the spillway I saw one that was run over by a dirtbiker....

snakebit - (dogs aren't venom proof like some fools believe)

beaver cutting jabbed into a dogs belly.

a dogs collar getting caught on something and the dog getting stuck - and drowning.

BEES...... BEEES bees don't like bird dogs that pee on their hive.

skunks....

one pointer that cornered a bobcat.... big mistake...

getting run over by boats or atvs....

heck I saw an AFC get caught in a rice field drain and drown on a fetch - the sill was not supposed to be out.... but it was...


be vigilant.... if it's wet and below monroe.. there is always the chance it was 50 degrees when we lost a dog..... the other one i was with was opening day of teal season in 84... some years I hunted every day of the season - I'll take those odds...


heck another poster and I encounter a cotton mouth ACTIVE when the temps were about 39 one day in the spillway... vigilance is the key... and the better trained your pup is the more vigilance you have... I used to not hunt dogs with collars.....now as a fail safe in areas with life threatening obstacles... I do..... my wife likes our dogs better than me....


but more dogs I am aware of have gone down to cars/trucks than everything else combined.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30600 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:49 pm to
and one time back in the 80s... I saw a guy with 5 dogs in a very nice dog box in the back of a truck in welsh....... guy drove from houston to welsh that morning......


little stop and go traffic at one point.....


and he must have had an exhaust problem because all 5 dogs were dead..... even by 80s measures.. that was about 10-12 k worth of bird dawgs...... from what I understand that guy quit hunting and playing the doggie games after that....
Posted by MrJudgeSmails
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:08 pm to
Damn, that is a laundry list of bad times. The gist I’m getting is to be prudent on which lines you send the dog on and have fun.
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