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training my dog to fetch ducks

Posted on 9/30/10 at 7:17 am
Posted by TowandaTiger
Towanda Ks.
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 7:17 am
Hey guys, I'm traing my 1 1\2 year old pointer/yellow lab for duck hunting. She's doing great with everything except she's sometimes a bit too timid about grabbing the bird and bringing it to me. We had a special teal season and I took her out. She swam out to the birds, nosed them for a few seconds then came back.
I think she'll be ok with a few more hunts, but I saw this board and thought I might be able to get some tips from someone with a little more experience training dogs.
Posted by BlueCrab
North of Last Island
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 7:49 am to
Have you only been trainher it with dummies? If so, get a duck and use it with your dog instead of a dummy.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 7:51 am to
Get the book --- Water Dog by George somebody, I think.... Great book, simplifies things... I have it around here somewhere, but, can't locate it now... Good Luck...
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34728 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 7:56 am to
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:08 am to
mornning maam.... Need a part time job retrieving ducks this year? I'll feed ya Alpo and pet you,,, every once in a while....
Posted by TowandaTiger
Towanda Ks.
Member since Sep 2010
505 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:14 am to
quote:

Have you only been trainher it with dummies? If so, get a duck and use it with your dog instead of a dummy.
I started her with bumpers and then used a frozen duck. The problem right now is sometimes she brings the duck back and sometimes she swims up to it and then turns around and comes back. Even when she does bring the bird back, she acts real timid. She's obviously interested but seems afraid of the dead birds.
I think with time, she'll be a good dog. She sits patiently beside me in the blind and watches. I actually caught her staring at a flock of ducks flying overhead before I even spotted them.
Posted by MapGuy
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:19 am to
You need to "force fetch" her. Look it up and follow the Mike Lardy method. Richard Walters "Water Dog" has a good method as well but Lardy uses the "ear pinch" and this is VERY effective. Trust me, if you can teach her to force fetch (fetch on command) it will make a ton of difference in the field.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Richard Walters "Water Dog"
That's it... I was thinking George Walters...
Posted by MapGuy
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:23 am to
Water dog is a great book and I love using his techniques. I found out about Mike Lardy a couple of years back and his style is more aggressive but I found the results are better.
Posted by TowandaTiger
Towanda Ks.
Member since Sep 2010
505 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:35 am to
quote:

Water dog is a great book and I love using his techniques. I found out about Mike Lardy a couple of years back and his style is more aggressive but I found the results are better.
Thanks. I found this..."totalretriever with Mike Lardy".
Sure would like to know a little more about force fetching without buying another complete training manual.
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34728 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:42 am to
Pardon me, sir, but I prefer to be petted every day.
Posted by MapGuy
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Member since May 2010
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Sure would like to know a little more about force fetching without buying another complete training manual.

1. It's a technique where you place a bumber on the ground or in your hand and you force the dog to fetch it.
2. You teach the dog to force hold the object until you give the command to release it.

This may sound crazy but if you talk to any trainer they will all tell you the same things that I am.
Posted by JasonL79
Houston area
Member since Jan 2010
6425 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:47 am to
quote:

Sure would like to know a little more about force fetching without buying another complete training manual.


She definitely needs to be force fetched. I had trouble with my last two labs and picking up ducks. Some dogs don't like the way the feathers feel/taste. They grew out of it after a few weeks of training.

The way I saw force fetching taught was- the dog is placed on a table about waist high and attached to line where it can't get away. A wooden dumbell was used and the trainer gave the dog pressure with an ear pinch and told the dog fetch. The dogs ear is pinched until it gets picked up and then the pressure is let off. You have to be really careful on how you hold them as they may bite you. It's a natural reaction for a dog being hurt to bite whatever is hurting them. I used to stand on the right side of my dog and use my left arm to reach around the back of the dog's head and pinch his left ear. It's best if you have a collar on the dog so you can put your fingers through the collar first (so you can control the dog) and use your thumb and pointing finger to pinch. This process teaches the dog to pick up whatever you tell it to and not to drop wounded ducks a few feet away from you in the duck blind. As you know, a wounded duck dropped a few feet away can get away if it goes into the grass.

It's a little more complicated than this but that is sort of a summary of it. I would recommend getting a book that explains it better or try to get someone knowledgeable to teach you.
Posted by MapGuy
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Posted on 9/30/10 at 8:49 am to
Here are a couple of articles that I found that may help you.

Part 1
Part 2
Posted by TowandaTiger
Towanda Ks.
Member since Sep 2010
505 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:10 am to
Thanks for the tips. I'm gonna try that, but instead of using a dummie, I think I'll use a frozen duck. The only problem I'm having right now is her timidness about putting the bird in her mouth.
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5989 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:19 am to
Depending on where your dog is there are options.

First off you need to train with more real birds. In fact I would quit using bumpers all together. Keep 3-4 ducks in your freezer at all times and when you are going to train just defrost them.

Force fetch witout a doubt is what you need. HOWEVER I must clarify, you may not be ready for FF. Force fetch needs to be part of a program you use with your dog, not just something to fix one issue. A typical program would be teach obedience until rock solid, then go to formal Obedience where if the dog doesn't listen you introduce force to correct weather it be a choke chain, heeling stick, or in some cases an electric collar. Once you have gone through formal ob then and ONLY then would I reccomend FF. If you are uncomfortable with FF or unsure get a trainer to do it for you. While it is one of the singlemost changing thing you can do for your retriever it is also something that if done wrong can ruin your dog. I have FF'd a lot of dogs and have helped many through it. I would definetly read up on it and also watch videos of it being done before you tackle it. Also IMO to get a good FF plan on 3 weeks of doing it EVERYDAY. FF isn't something that can be accomplished well in an every now and again fashion.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63329 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:26 am to
quote:

If so, get a duck and use it with your dog instead of a dummy.


This. I actually started by fastening teal wings to a standard bumper when my dog was a puppy and used a a dead dos gris when she got older. Worked like a charm.
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3612 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:32 am to
quote:

fastening teal wings to a standard bumper


Was gonna say this. You may consider buying one of these LINK to help him get used to the size of the bird and get comfortable with it, and attach a wing to that. This is what I did, and used zip ties to hold it on.

Then move up to the real birds...
Posted by Vol Fan in the Bayou
Member since Nov 2009
4158 posts
Posted on 9/30/10 at 9:33 am to
quote:

Sure would like to know a little more about force fetching without buying another complete training manual.


There are videos all over the place. Ducks Unlimited has some very good ones on their website.
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