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re: My only Hunt so far this year.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:10 pm to faxis
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:10 pm to faxis
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If all they've got to shoot is a buck, and they're hunting meat, genetically... it's no different.
I would say this is rare...how many places do you hunt that the doe numbers do not naturally out number the bucks?
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:11 pm to TexasTiger
You missed my point. It wasn't about your daughter's progression. It's about your preposterous argument that only wall hangers are trophies. You back pedaled from grown men shouldn't shoot small deer, to it's bad herd management. Your thinly veiled insults do not impress me, neither does your self-righteous stance on antler hunting.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:16 pm to TexasTiger
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Like I said shooting your young bucks is not good for the future of the herd.
Shooting young bucks is not good for the future of trophy hunters, is more of an accurate statement. A buck has the same DNA at 1.5 as he does at 4.5.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:17 pm to TexasTiger
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TexasTiger
I'm with you in this, but you wont change these guys minds.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:18 pm to jsb29
I never said anything about wall hangers you read into my posts whatever you like. I have never said a deer needs to score X to be killed.
I said your goal should be to kill mature deer. Continue to shoot all the young bucks you want just don't piss and moan when you don't see any bucks.
And I still say a man that has been hunting his whole life should eventually want to shot something better than a 2 year old basket rack 8pt and not shot that as soon as it walks out.
I said your goal should be to kill mature deer. Continue to shoot all the young bucks you want just don't piss and moan when you don't see any bucks.
And I still say a man that has been hunting his whole life should eventually want to shot something better than a 2 year old basket rack 8pt and not shot that as soon as it walks out.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:19 pm to MillerMan
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MillerMan
Remind us, where do you hunt?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:21 pm to tenfoe
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A buck has the same DNA at 1.5 as he does at 4.5.
I agree with this statement...the problem is you just took him out of the herd and didn't allow him to breed for another 3.5 years. Thats my point...shooting young bucks hurt the future of the herd.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:23 pm to tenfoe
South Texas
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:29 pm to TexasTiger
So some other buck got to frick that doe instead. It makes no difference genetically to the future of the herd. You can have less bucks than does because one buck can service a shitload of does. If you want to get technical on what's hurting the 'herd' it would be the shooting of does since that dead doe isn't going to make another deer.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:31 pm to TexasTiger
So when you said "if people would let deer walk, they could grow to their full potential" and, "there is a difference between a 4.5/5.5 year old deer and a 2.5 year old deer", what exactly were you talking about? Oh, big racks.
Believe it or not, I have shot 1 buck in my life, for the sole reason that it has been the only one I saw fit to shoot. That being said, If my daughter is with me and I want to shoot a spike, by God I'm gonna do it and be proud of it. To me, it's about teaching her ethical hunting, not trophy hunting.
Believe it or not, I have shot 1 buck in my life, for the sole reason that it has been the only one I saw fit to shoot. That being said, If my daughter is with me and I want to shoot a spike, by God I'm gonna do it and be proud of it. To me, it's about teaching her ethical hunting, not trophy hunting.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:35 pm to faxis
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So some other buck got to frick that doe instead. It makes no difference genetically to the future of the herd. You can have less bucks than does because one buck can service a shitload of does. If you want to get technical on what's hurting the 'herd' it would be the shooting of does since that dead doe isn't going to make another deer.
And no that buck won't because the other guys you hunt with also kill young bucks.
What is your your idea of a shitload..3-5 is about average. And when your doe ratios are out of wack does go unbreed or bucks with geneics you don't in the heard will breed more does.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:36 pm to jsb29
I don't think they have understood the difference in genetically healthy herd, and herd with big racked bucks.
Not gonna go into phylogeny and shite but the size of a bucks rack is not an indicator of a genetically healthy herd.
Not gonna go into phylogeny and shite but the size of a bucks rack is not an indicator of a genetically healthy herd.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:38 pm to TexasTiger
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And when your doe ratios are out of wack does go unbreed or bucks with geneics you don't in the heard will breed more does
So how do you get rid of the bucks you dont want since your above shooting anything other than a mature buck?
And it doesnt matter if your numbers are out of whack, if the unwanted bucks are there, they will breed also.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:40 pm to TexasTiger
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What is your your idea of a shitload..3-5 is about average. And when your doe ratios are out of wack does go unbreed or bucks with geneics you don't in the heard will breed more does.
And what makes for a visible genetics indicator to you again?
Don't bother, I'll answer it. Big Ole Rack.
Unfortunately, that's not actually a measure of herd health in any way. And if you think you can bring it about by only shooting select bucks, you really don't understand how genetics work. Because the same gene you are trying to select for is also in the does and you may kill a doe that has the gene for a world record buck and have absolutely no way of knowing it.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:43 pm to jsb29
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Believe it or not, I have shot 1 buck in my life, for the sole reason that it has been the only one I saw fit to shoot. That being said, If my daughter is with me and I want to shoot a spike, by God I'm gonna do it and be proud of it. To me, it's about teaching her ethical hunting, not trophy hunting.
And you are at a different stage in your hunting life. In 5-10 years from now talk to me and let me know if you still think shooting spikes and 1.5 yr old bucks is what your gonna do.
You will first need to learn the difference between throphy hunting / and the taking of mature animals and managing the herd.
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there is a difference between a 4.5/5.5 year old deer and a 2.5 year old deer", what exactly were you talking about? Oh, big racks.
he gets additional time to put his genetics into the heard. He will continue to grow, but who knows you may not seem him until after his prime and he is on the down hill side of what he wants was..
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:45 pm to TexasTiger
What if he's fricking inferior gene does?
Maybe he just likes sluts and ONLY fricks inferior gene does? How you gonna fix that?
Maybe he just likes sluts and ONLY fricks inferior gene does? How you gonna fix that?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:48 pm to faxis
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Don't bother, I'll answer it. Big Ole Rack
You the man Faxis...
You have to manage the entire herd...buck to doe ratios...culls...the whole 9 yrds. It works all over the country. And in none of these programs does it encourage the shooting of young bucks.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:49 pm to faxis
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Maybe he just likes sluts and ONLY fricks inferior gene does? How you gonna fix that?
Nobody's perfect we all have our weak moments.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:51 pm to TexasTiger
At what stage of my hunting life do you think I'm in, Doc? 5 years from now, my 1 year old daughter will be six, and I will be taking her hunting, letting her help me decide what deer she will be proud of. I don't think there is anyone here who is advocating shooting nothing but spikes. We are only trying to point out to you that just because you don't view a deer as being a "quality deer", doesn't mean the person who shot it doesn't.
Talking to you is like talking to this couch I'm sitting on.
Talking to you is like talking to this couch I'm sitting on.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 1:56 pm to jsb29
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We are only trying to point out to you that just because you don't view a deer as being a "quality deer", doesn't mean the person who shot it doesn't.
You have killed one buck, you will continue to grow and change the more you do it.
I agree and if that is a moment you and your daughter share together thats great. You are missing my point.
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I don't think there is anyone here who is advocating shooting nothing but spikes.
And trust me if you don't think there are hunters that don't shoot the first thing with horns they see you are following yourself.
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