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Help diagnose my f150 5.0 - Update - pg 3
Posted on 9/2/16 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 7:15 pm
2013 f150 5.0 74,500 miles.
Hearing a tapping/clacking (metal on metal) sound upon start up. It rises and falls in frequency with rpms but doesn't happen over 1k rpms. It goes away 30-60 seconds after start up. If i drive immediately after start up it is gone by 20mph.
8000 miles ago I had oil changed. Never checked it since. Noticed the sound so I checked and was low. Service station said I had about 5.5qts out if the 7.7 it's supposed to have and it was conventional oil. The original station was supposed to put synthetic. I thought it was a lifter that lost prime. It's been 100 miles since the correct oil change with oil treatment and sound is still there. When under the truck it sounds like it's coming from the transmission. Id think if it was a lifter it would sound like it's more on top the engine but it could be deceiving.
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Hearing a tapping/clacking (metal on metal) sound upon start up. It rises and falls in frequency with rpms but doesn't happen over 1k rpms. It goes away 30-60 seconds after start up. If i drive immediately after start up it is gone by 20mph.
8000 miles ago I had oil changed. Never checked it since. Noticed the sound so I checked and was low. Service station said I had about 5.5qts out if the 7.7 it's supposed to have and it was conventional oil. The original station was supposed to put synthetic. I thought it was a lifter that lost prime. It's been 100 miles since the correct oil change with oil treatment and sound is still there. When under the truck it sounds like it's coming from the transmission. Id think if it was a lifter it would sound like it's more on top the engine but it could be deceiving.
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This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 7:27 pm to SeaPickle
To be safe don't drive it any more. Get it to a shop, preferably a Ford dealer as they may have experience with that 5.0. I know that they had some cylinder out of round issues but that sounds like crank or rod bearing. Probably not flywheel cause it goes away after a while.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 7:38 pm to cajuncarguy
Going to be very very hard to not drive this weekend. Hell I pulled my bay boat 75 miles today so I hope it's just a catalytic converter or something. I have an appointment 7am Tuesday at Ford.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:07 pm to SeaPickle
Doesn't sound too hot man. Actually sounds really bad....worse than it should missing 2.2 quarts. I'd get it to the shop if that is coming from your bottom end like it sounds
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:13 pm to Hammertime
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Doesn't sound too hot man. Actually sounds really bad....worse than it should missing 2.2 quarts. I'd get it to the shop if that is coming from your bottom end like it sounds
This right here. "Coming from the transmission" tells me that it is coming from the bottom end, aka, rod bearings. The fact that you ran it for 8k miles, and it was 2.2 quarts low....from my experience, owning that same truck now, it won't handle it. If it was a GM product, I don't think you'd have these issues right now. But that ford is very temperamental about running it long without an oil change and running low on oil.
And for those thinking I'm stirring up shite, I'm not. Again, I have an f150 with the 5.0.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 12:14 am to SeaPickle
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it was conventional
How do they know this?
Posted on 9/3/16 at 6:59 am to Fratigerguy
What am I looking at for repairs if that is the problem? If it was a bearing wouldn't the sound be constant? This goes away within 60sec and the truck runs smooth as can be
This post was edited on 9/3/16 at 7:44 am
Posted on 9/3/16 at 8:22 am to SeaPickle
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This goes away within 60sec and the truck runs smooth as can be
Does it do it every time you start the truck? Even after a short trip while it's still warm?
Could be an exhaust leak but that would be a tick rather than a knock.
Get a short wooden broom handle or long screw driver, and put it up to the oil pan while engine is running.
You could have a couple things going on there, none of them good. I've seen piston slap make noise and then go away abruptly. While not the worse thing in the world, it's certainly not good. Never heard a rod knock or rod bearing get quiet so I'm stumped there. You can pull the coil pack off the plug, one by one, if it goes away you found you found your shitty rod bearing. If that's the case, trade the fricker in.
Just to make things more complicated, could be the oil pump. If the local $5 speedy lube put too heavy of an oil in your truck it could have ruined the pump.
My money is on the oil pump, but that's only because I don't want it to be a bottom end issue.
Pull the filter and check for metal shavings. And check your oil more often you dingus.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:09 am to Barf
quote:Forgot to tell him to put it up to his ear. He's just gonna be standing around holding a broom on his oil pan waiting for something to happen
Get a short wooden broom handle or long screw driver, and put it up to the oil pan while engine is running.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:11 am to Barf
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Does it do it every time you start the truck? Even after a short trip while it's still warm?
Yes it is every time. It seems to go away quicker when warm but I can't be positive.
- 100% not an exhaust leak. Maybe a cat went bad but not a leak
- and do what with the broom? What will that do?
- no shavings found when I changed the oil this week. Original oil was black. Will have to wait until Tuesday to check with the station that did the bad oil change.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:15 am to SeaPickle
I hope my research is wrong
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your main bearings are going. what you hear is affectionately known as a rod knock. it happens with excessive loading of an oil starved motor, or one going too long between oil changes. your main bearings are flat surfaced, but due to oil starvation have picked up an oval like eccentric shape, and the connecting rods are slapping around in that new larger clearance. the rebuild will fix this, but you CANNOT drive this vehicle
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:18 am to SeaPickle
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8000 miles ago I had oil changed.
your lifters are tapping.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:28 am to tigerdup07
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your lifters are tapping.
That was my first though but wouldn't that go away with a new oil change and Lucas oil treatment? I know sounds can be deceiving but it more pronounced from under the truck than under the hood. Lifters would be coming from the top end
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:30 am to SeaPickle
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That was my first though but wouldn't that go away with a new oil change and Lucas oil treatment?
no. some people will use a "heavier" oil and swear that it will solve the problem. it will kill the noise temporarily but, it will start up again after a while. truck can last a long time with the lifter tap. but......what's done is done. you will have to change your oil more often if you want to keep the 5.0
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:38 am to tigerdup07
Ok update time: cranked the truck after it sat over night. Screw driver on oil pan, nothing. Tracked down the sound to driver side catalytic converter. After sound went away I shut truck off then back on. No noise. Truck has to cool some for sound to be made. It sounds just like rocks in a metal can being rolled - I think the cat went to shite.
Also rod bearings or anything of that nature would give me bad oil pressure. I never had low pressure even before the oil change.
Also rod bearings or anything of that nature would give me bad oil pressure. I never had low pressure even before the oil change.
This post was edited on 9/3/16 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:44 am to tigerdup07
Well ford said 10k with synthetic which is what was supposed to be put in the last time. For 3 years I've done it between 8-10k and never an issue.
But my previous post may make all this mean nothing as I'm 99.9% sure it's the cat
But my previous post may make all this mean nothing as I'm 99.9% sure it's the cat
Posted on 9/3/16 at 9:55 am to SeaPickle
That video sounded like the bottom end, but good you got it figured out. You can get an aftermarket cat online for like $100
Posted on 9/3/16 at 10:09 am to SeaPickle
Probably the cam phasers. Ford V8s are notorious for this.
Posted on 9/3/16 at 10:20 am to Hammertime
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video sounded like the bottom end,
Its definately more pronounced under the truck. I can't confirm without a stethoscope but I'd say it's the cat. My ear pin pointed it to the cat pretty easily. I'm about to go to my company's mechanics house and let him listen. Ford tech is checking on cat warranty. He didn't know if it was 60k with the power train or 80k.
This post was edited on 9/3/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/3/16 at 10:30 am to SeaPickle
I don't know why a cat would only make noise when cold or having sat for a while but I assume it's possible.
I have another scenario if it's 4WD. There is a vacuum system to the front auto hubs, If the system develops a leak it can cause a clicking sound like a cat converter rattling. It will do so in 2WD. Before someone charges you to change the cat try this: Drive it in 4WD. Shut it off and let it sit for a while. Start it and see if the noise is still there. If not it's the wheel solenoids rattling.
I have another scenario if it's 4WD. There is a vacuum system to the front auto hubs, If the system develops a leak it can cause a clicking sound like a cat converter rattling. It will do so in 2WD. Before someone charges you to change the cat try this: Drive it in 4WD. Shut it off and let it sit for a while. Start it and see if the noise is still there. If not it's the wheel solenoids rattling.
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