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re: Guy stopped in Portland for open carrying
Posted on 6/23/12 at 12:44 pm to KingRanch
Posted on 6/23/12 at 12:44 pm to KingRanch
Labeling what the officer did as an "illegal seizure" is pretty laughable.
The man was not permanently deprived of any property.
The officer simply secured the weapon for the duration of the contact for his safety then promptly returned it.
You want the officer to place his life at risk unnecessarily while investigating a citizen complaint dealing with an armed individual?
The officer handled it about as text book as possible IMO.
The man was not permanently deprived of any property.
The officer simply secured the weapon for the duration of the contact for his safety then promptly returned it.
You want the officer to place his life at risk unnecessarily while investigating a citizen complaint dealing with an armed individual?
The officer handled it about as text book as possible IMO.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 6/23/12 at 12:54 pm to Who Me
quote:
Labeling what the officer did as an "illegal seizure" is pretty laughable.
I didn't label it as that, another poster did, I just went with familiar lingo
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The officer handled it about as text book as possible IMO.
Agreed
When I was stopped entering wal mart while open carrying, I have a CCL as well, the officer asked me what I was doing. I said going to get groceries. I was very well dressed with over the shoulder holster that had been under my suit jacket for most of the day. For all he knew I could have been a detective and I get asked that question a lot by other citizens when I do carry like that. The officer then asked me what I was carrying for. I explained to him my line of work and what it entails and he agreed with me that things can get a bit dicey at times. I have to collect on accounts receivable sometimes and there can be some pissed off people sometimes.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:00 pm to KingRanch
Being randomly stopped by an officer for open carry is a different set of circumstances than what was in the video.
The officer is responding to and investigating a citizen complaint. He has no idea what the guy might be doing.
The officer is responding to and investigating a citizen complaint. He has no idea what the guy might be doing.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:09 pm to Who Me
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Being randomly stopped by an officer for open carry is a different set of circumstances than what was in the video. The officer is responding to and investigating a citizen complaint. He has no idea what the guy might be doing.
I was randomly stopped and was still polite even though I shouldn't have been stopped, and I agree that it different than a call in, I've said that in this thread.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:14 pm to KingRanch
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I was randomly stopped and was still polite even though I shouldn't have been stopped, and I agree that it different than a call in, I've said that in this thread.
I don't know all the circumstances of your personal incident.
Did you say you were going to a store? Does the store have a policy against people carrying weapons inside? Was the officer on duty or serving in a capacity as security for the store?
Were you detained or did the officer just approach you and ask you a question?
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:22 pm to Who Me
I was asked what I was doing in a condescending tone and I knew immediately what he was getting at. I then asked if wal mart had a policy against it, he said no and that he was just asking. I then told him my circumstances. There wasn't anything to it other than that. Like I said, I was polite and so was he.
I was just sharing my anecdote.
I was just sharing my anecdote.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:38 pm to RATeamWannabe
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I think someone in the OT thread said it was Portland, Maine.
Actually a more wuss of a city than Portland, Oregon. It's where your kids go to school after they graduate with degrees in arts and literature.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:13 pm to Who Me
quote:
Labeling what the officer did as an "illegal seizure" is pretty laughable.
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The officer simply secured the weapon for the duration of the contact
was it not secured in the holster?
was the officer ever in immenent threat?
was the weapon taken from the citzen after the citzen clearly stated he was carrying legally and did not consent to any search or seizure?
was the weapon then physically removed from the citzen despite this verbal acknoledgment that he did not consent to it beign removed?
As I stated on the OT, the officer had every right to ask if he could secure the weapon and the citzen had every right to refuse. The officer had every right to ask for the citzen to keep his hands away from the weapon (which he did not do in the video). The officer has his own weapon and training to protect himself. The officer could have placed a hand on his (the officers) holstered weapon facilitating a fasater draw and remained calm. There was no reason to remove this legal citzens gun.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:16 pm to Bleeding purple
We will just have to disagree. I do believe the courts would side with the officer in the incident on the video.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 6:20 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Imagine if cops didn't check people who open carry
How is this different than stopping everyone who is of Spanish descent and asking to see their drivers licence to see if they are an illegal alien?
Posted on 6/23/12 at 6:32 pm to highcotton2
I went through a roadblock last week. They were checking for insurance and inspection stickers. Didn't bother me cause I have my stuff legal. If your not breaking the law why would it bother you. It would have taken that guy one minute to show his ID and then he would have been on his way.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:05 pm to highcotton2
Missed my point
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:18 pm to KingRanch
He was a douche but I loved it. 
That cop is still trying to figure out what the frick that guy was talking about.
That cop is still trying to figure out what the frick that guy was talking about.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:27 pm to Nodust
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Didn't bother me cause I have my stuff legal. If your not breaking the law why would it bother you
Would you allow the government to mount a camera inside of your car in the dome light to monitor your speed limit and driving? Since your stuff is legal this would not intrude on you in any way right. Liberties are not taken all at once they are taken a little at a time.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:27 pm to Nodust
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I went through a roadblock last week. They were checking for insurance and inspection stickers. Didn't bother me cause I have my stuff legal. If your not breaking the law why would it bother you
I just don't like living in a world where innocent people are hassled...
I have been stopped twice going home after midnight in the past year for bullshite reasons. Officers just stopping people and checking for drunk drivers. If you are doing nothing wrong, you should never ever be stopped and checked.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:35 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Missed my point
Your point was that if officers did not stop everyone who is open carrying a firearm then all convicted felons would open carry without fear of being caught. That is not a good point. You cannot randomly check legal gun holders trying to find the 1 in 100000 who is a convicted felon.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:43 pm to highcotton2
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You cannot randomly check legal gun holders trying to find the 1 in 100000 who is a convicted felon.
Sadly, the modern view seems to be shifting toward trading freedom for perceived security. TSA is a good example.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Officers just stopping people and checking for drunk drivers
Most roadblocks are just a revenue source for the local govt. That was a bad analogy on my part cause different circumstances.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:50 pm to highcotton2
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You cannot randomly check legal gun holders trying to find the 1 in 100000 who is a convicted felon.
It would have to be a dumbass felon to open carry a firearm.
They need to allow CC with no permit needed. Then everyone is considered armed.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 7:51 pm to Nodust
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Most roadblocks are just a revenue source for the local govt. That was a bad analogy on my part cause different circumstances.
I don't want to be randomly stopped on roads, or we reach the point where your house can be randomly searched based on some bullshite reason. The reason law abiding citizens don't want to be hassled by the authorities is we have to make a stand somewhere. Courts can interpret things in so many ways I don't trust them either, citizens need to stand up for their individual rights.
We all know when the officer pulls my arse over because the snow wasn't properly removed from my tail light lens it's a bullshite reason to stop someone. It ain't the kind of society I appreciate.
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