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Doping scandal thread for when someone fails test

Posted on 7/23/24 at 8:42 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/23/24 at 8:42 am
No Russian cheating this time
Swimming should be cleaner without Chinese cheaters
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
11503 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:10 am to
Hope Sha’carri can put the blunt down until the end of August
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 9:13 am
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:33 pm to
I thought the scandal was that the Chinese swimmers would be there. Are they not there?

After watching the Tour de France, I'm curious what happens in the endurance events.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19834 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:03 pm to
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I thought the scandal was that the Chinese swimmers would be there. Are they not there?

Only 11 of the 23 that pissed hot for TMZ will be at this Olympics here's the thing, people don't really care. Allow me to demonstrate my point real quick women's ncaa 500 freestyle... you win with a dick, everybody knows your name. You win the year after the tranny and test hot for PEDs 12 weeks later at us nationals, nobody even knows your name.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:09 am to
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Only 11 of the 23 that pissed hot for TMZ will be at this Olympics

They gave the Russian skater 4yr ban for TMZ, so this is interesting.

TMZ is not a PED though. There's no literature to show an effect and the mechanism doesn't exist. This is a problem with WADA - they don't require any evidence in order to ban something. Shifting some cardiac metabolism to glucose makes no sense - fat is dominant at rest and it throttles that pathway in order to shift more to glucose which is a losing proposition mathematically, and at high intensities the heart is almost entirely reliant on lactate. WADA is a gang of tards.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:24 am to
Saw a youtuber report that a French gymnast (an alternate) popped for something. She published it in Russian. I'll see if I can get an English citation.

I did find this interesting headline from 7 days ago: French women’s gymnastics team excels under new training regimen. Just in time for Paris Olympics
AP

Here we go:
French gymnast disqualified for doping before start of Olympics
athletistic
During the French Championships, the athlete underwent a doping test which proved positive for salbutamol. This drug is generally included in medications used to treat asthma.

This drug has been the subject of a lot of controversy over the years. Probably shouldn't be banned or at least the threshold needs to be elevated. Lot of athletes have exercise-induced asthma. Unless her levels were sky high this is probably another injustice from the idiots at WADA.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
26817 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:33 am to
Apparently the first scandal was that 2 coaches from Canada’s women’s soccer team were sent home for using a drone to spy on New Zealand’s practice.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19834 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 3:38 pm to
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They gave the Russian skater 4yr ban for TMZ, so this is interesting.


They allegedly found traces in a salt shaker at a Chinese training facility. By they i mean chinada. The levels were also incredibly low. Story is fishy, though.
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TMZ is not a PED though. There's no literature to show an effect and the mechanism doesn't exist. This is a problem with WADA - they don't require any evidence in order to ban something. Shifting some cardiac metabolism to glucose makes no sense - fat is dominant at rest and it throttles that pathway in order to shift more to glucose which is a losing proposition mathematically, and at high intensities the heart is almost entirely reliant on lactate.

I honestly know nothing on this substance to agree or disagree. Being mid 40s let's me sleep on what's new on the wada banned list. I didn't know what vadadustat was either, but I'm very suspicious when a drug not even on the us market, that is basically and epo producer, ends up in a distance swimmer's body. Even if we swam at the same college and club team, decades apart, it's still pretty shady looking.

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WADA is a gang of tards.

Any group that would make Dick Pound their first president is sus af. I had a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) for my add meds, but the ncaa was very specific about not being hot in competition. A lot of foreigners hate on the high % of us swimmers for steroid asthma inhalers TUEs, and I get their point. Their goal is equality, but the results aren't indicating that's how it's playing out. Different length bans for the same substance is as goofy as it comes.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 5:29 pm to
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I honestly know nothing on this substance to agree or disagree.

Lot of biochemistry and nuance but there is no evidence of performance enhancement and back before it was banned, it wasn't being used. The drug is super cheap and it's cleared from the system very quickly. People that take it for heart failure, have to take multiple doses per day.

When it was legal they looked at blood samples from a facility with top athletes in Europe: it was found in a ratio of 24 per 10,000. Any drug out of your system quickly, that is cheap and easy to get, would be a lot more common if it worked to enhance performance.
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