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Posted on 5/23/10 at 9:02 pm to ottothewise
look, you've got your mind made up, and i understand that, but this stuff where you present some of this stuff as if you've conducted the investigation and concluded what happened is getting old.
i'm not saying BP/TOI is without fault here, i just think we should be dealing in fact, as pretty much all of this is a matter of public record.
which cement? the cement that was pumped as part of the primary cement job? the blowout occured well after the cement job was concluded -- ample time for the cement to have built appropriate compressive strength. furthermore, the cement issue really matters if you believe the well is flowing out of the casing, which most people believe it is not at this point. most people believe the well is flowing up the annular space behind the productive casing, in which case you could have pumped enormous quantities of cement in the 9 7/8" x 7" casing and it wouldn't have mattered.
you cannot say this if you don't know the specifics of the negative test -- what fluids and where they were. i know this, that w/ the choke line full of sea water it had 0 psi on it. if there was a leak in the system at that point, that pressure would have been > 0 psi. BP testified the tests were "unacceptable" not that there was a leak; implying the test may not have been conducted properly.
there is testimony that describes a disagreement during a pre-tour meeting -- not necessarily an argument or fight as you put it -- you've made it sound like the company man an the oim were about to come to blows over this. i'm sure BP was proceeding w/ the abandonment procedure as appoved by the MMS. i'm not saying i agree w/ how they were proceeding, only that they weren't just shooting from the hit an ddoing what they wanted. this is the kind of thing that has to be approved.
i'm not saying BP/TOI is without fault here, i just think we should be dealing in fact, as pretty much all of this is a matter of public record.
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cement was curing
which cement? the cement that was pumped as part of the primary cement job? the blowout occured well after the cement job was concluded -- ample time for the cement to have built appropriate compressive strength. furthermore, the cement issue really matters if you believe the well is flowing out of the casing, which most people believe it is not at this point. most people believe the well is flowing up the annular space behind the productive casing, in which case you could have pumped enormous quantities of cement in the 9 7/8" x 7" casing and it wouldn't have mattered.
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there was a leak in the system.
you cannot say this if you don't know the specifics of the negative test -- what fluids and where they were. i know this, that w/ the choke line full of sea water it had 0 psi on it. if there was a leak in the system at that point, that pressure would have been > 0 psi. BP testified the tests were "unacceptable" not that there was a leak; implying the test may not have been conducted properly.
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There was an argument/fight topside before they went ahead anyway.
there is testimony that describes a disagreement during a pre-tour meeting -- not necessarily an argument or fight as you put it -- you've made it sound like the company man an the oim were about to come to blows over this. i'm sure BP was proceeding w/ the abandonment procedure as appoved by the MMS. i'm not saying i agree w/ how they were proceeding, only that they weren't just shooting from the hit an ddoing what they wanted. this is the kind of thing that has to be approved.
This post was edited on 5/23/10 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 5/23/10 at 9:12 pm to oilfieldtiger
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Katrina was a natural disaster
The levees around central New Orleans were never overtopped. Rather, badly-designed floodwalls collapsed and breached in several places before Katrina’s storm surge got anywhere near it's highest. There was some overtopping in more-exposed areas to the east, but the vast majority of the flooding was caused by those breaches – in other words, human error by the Corps of Engineers.
Had the Army Corps of Engineers designed and built the levees in New Orleans properly, there would have been minor flooding, not the deluge that killed some 1,800 people. Describing Katrina as a natural disaster suggests that nobody has to be held accountable and relieves the urgency for fixes.
This post was edited on 5/23/10 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 5/23/10 at 9:57 pm to CWilken21
Then fault the corp for lack of preparation for Katrina. An epic hurricane is a natrual force. Nature did not intitiate drilling- we did.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 10:00 pm to Minnesota Tiger
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An epic hurricane
Cat 2 when it hit New Orleans ????????
Posted on 5/23/10 at 10:05 pm to Minnesota Tiger
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An epic hurricane is a natrual force. Nature did not intitiate drilling- we did.
Not to mention the city is BELOW SEA LEVEL
Posted on 5/23/10 at 10:12 pm to Mudminnow
Not all of it. Many areas are above sea level and flooded anyway
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:57 pm to ottothewise
"It is clear the resources needed to protect our coast are still not here: boom, skimmers, vacuums, jack-up barges are all in short supply," Jindal told a news conference in Venice.
Whose fault is that ?
Shouldn't the gov do something about it
give me a frickinh break
Whose fault is that ?
Shouldn't the gov do something about it
give me a frickinh break
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:11 am to Mudminnow
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The govt has threw down the gauntlet today and is royally pissed at how BP has fumbled this and lied to everybody and missed deadline after deadline.
That is great and all, but somebody has to do something, bp hasn't. Government needs to go ahead and do so.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:17 am to Northwestern tiger
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still not here: boom, skimmers, vacuums, jack-up barges are all in short supply
You would think all that would be readily available since they are drilling for oil off the coast and BP said they could handle a spill 60 times this size. I would imagine all these items are a part of BPs detailed plan for an oil spill before they start drilling
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