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re: Ok so who on here has actual ties to the Oil and Gas industry

Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by lsugradman
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:25 pm to
Yeah its a log thats run downhole to ensure the integrity of the cementing job
Posted by lsugradman
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:26 pm to
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I would bank big money that CBLs will be mandatory going forward.


For sure. It would seem like that is a no brainer if you are going to TA a well anyway.
Posted by gliterein
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:27 pm to
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the CBL is a cement bond log. it's a tool run in the hole on wireline that allows you to evaluate the quality of the bond between the cement, the formation, and the casing.


it uses sonic resonance to make sure that there is a solid 360 degree seal between the casing and the formation and in the annular space. it will detect areas where the cement did not take.

hell yes, a CBL will be mandatory now, IMO.
Posted by MAUCKjersey1
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:27 pm to
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Posted by gliterein
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:31 pm to
If you have flowing mud pits, and knowing what fluids and equipment you have down in the hole:

1) when do the BOPs get activated from the rig floor?

2) when does the mayday or abandon ship call go out?

3) is there anything that can be done from an operational standpoint to stop the kick and save the well? could they have still been trying to fight this thing as it climbed up at them?
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 4:32 pm
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:47 pm to
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1) when do the BOPs get activated from the rig floor?

2) when does the mayday or abandon ship call go out?

3) is there anything that can be done from an operational standpoint to stop the kick and save the well? could they have still been trying to fight this thing as it climbed up at them?


The BOPs are activated as soon as you detect the well is not static. It will start out with a small flow of fluid out the annulus when the mud pumps are turned off. There are devices in place that detect this and if you are watching your pit volumes you will see a pit gain when there should not be one.

The longer it goes without detection the less chance you have of containing the gas.

In this case, it appears no attempt was made until the gas was already at surface. Your chances of containment are very slim at that point and your primary goal should be abandoning ship. In this situation the BOPs can be activated remotely from one of the control units not on the rig floor. If the pressure is too much though, closing the BOP may not stop the flow of gas. That's the reason it is grilled into us over and over to stay on top of the well and to detect kicks as early as possible.

With the well being cased off it's likely there was a bit of complacency that had set in.
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 4:51 pm
Posted by shaunk128
Houma
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 4:51 pm to
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You can bet that cement bond logs will now be mandatory on all production strings.


I agree!
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 5:42 pm to
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It would seem like that is a no brainer if you are going to TA a well anyway

pretty much all deepwater wells that are completed do end up w/ a CBL, however, the log is typically run at the beginning of completion operations - not at the conclusion of drilling.

and it's not just production strings you would necessarily have to worry about. you may have non-commercial pay isolated by a drilling liner that could come back to haunt you as well.
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 5:45 pm
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 5:46 pm to
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pretty much all deepwater wells that are completed do end up w/ a CBL, however, the log is typically run at the beginning of completion operations - not at the conclusion of drilling.


This is the common practice in most places. Not just deepwater.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 5:55 pm to
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This is the common practice in most places. Not just deepwater.


right, i was just saying in this particular case, i'm certain a CBL was going to be run at the start of the completion.

i don't see legislating a CBL as a magic bullet though, since ultimately it has to be interpreted, and it's such a hard decision on whether or not to attempt remedial cementing. plus you already have regulations on minimum cement volumes, casing design, well control equipment, etc.

obviously none of us know how the cement job went, so it's hard to know if they even suspected there was bad bond there or what they would have seen on the CBL. you know as well as i do there's logs that look like there's no bond that you can't establish injection into, and there's logs that look pretty good that end up w/ cross flow or channelling behind pipe.
Posted by Eauxkie Tiger
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:02 pm to
How long after the cementing was finished did the thing blow out?
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:02 pm to
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obviously none of us know how the cement job went, so it's hard to know if they even suspected there was bad bond there or what they would have seen on the CBL. you know as well as i do there's logs that look like there's no bond that you can't establish injection into, and there's logs that look pretty good that end up w/ cross flow or channelling behind pipe.


Very true. We both know the Feds won't care about that though.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:06 pm to
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How long after the cementing was finished did the thing blow out?


That I don't know. I would think at least 12 hours.
Posted by lsuougel
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:07 pm to
My dad is the Superintendent on the Nautilus for Shell. Been doing it for 35 or so years.

He is beginning his next shift tom. Said that MMS officials, federal officials, state officials, and Coast Guard officials are going to be there this week. Crappy part is that Shell is not allocating additional workers to help out with all of their questions so my dad will have to do his job and at the same time deal with all of their crap. He's not too happy. The Superintendent on there now said his guys have been "gun shy" since the incident. Can't blame them i guess.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:21 pm to
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We both know the Feds won't care about that though.

roger that. i think what's possible is a new regulation stating that the productive zone has to be isolated by something beyond cement from now on. like a liner / tieback combination well design, or swell packers on the backside.
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 9:01 pm to
Drilling Engineer. Graduated LSU in Dec w/ degree in petroleum engineering. live in houston. grad student/friend is lead guy for wild well control fixin this whole mess. its all confidential right now but i think we all know this will have far reaching effects for decades to come.
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 9:04 pm to
also when youre cement turns from a liquid to a solid there is a period of transition where you lose your hydrostatic head. leading to a kick. boyles law ensues and your BOP shear rams mess up and the rest is history. thats some peoples theory atleast...
Posted by fearneaux1
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 9:08 pm to
26 yrs working offshore production. The company I work for is partners with BP that owns the well. I work international now, but before I came overseas I worked in the office for one year as supervisor of all our non operated properties. That well would have been in my portfolio had I still been in that position.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 9:17 pm to
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also when youre cement turns from a liquid to a solid there is a period of transition where you lose your hydrostatic head


Can you explain this in more detail? How would your cement lose density? Maybe a portion of the hydrostatic head but I don't understand how you would lose all your hydrostatic head.
Posted by GeorgeLSU
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 9:20 pm to
Anyone NOT in production?? I am an engineer developing equipment for exploration, both land and marine.
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